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    13 days ago

    The Democrats could have run a turd as a candidate with the slogan “it’ll be a shit show” and I’d still have voted for them with no regrets, because I understand that fascism is an existential threat. If the Democrats are to blame in any way, it’s because they didn’t try to get people to understand that OH WAIT THEY DID.

    Should the Democrats have run a better candidate and a better campaign? Obviously yes. Is it their fault that voters were willing to let a fascist win? Not even a little.

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      Guess what, not everyone thinks that, and a good politician would actually promise to improve people’s lives instead of continually talking about how bad the other guy is.

      Trotting out the least popular Republicans ever as being on your side didn’t help either.

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        not everyone thinks that

        Yes, obviously not everyone thinks fascism is an existential threat. Which is probably one of our greatest failures as a society, in terms of education.

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          If the democrat party genuinely gave a shit they would of held a primary and nominated a qualified and popular candidate. They didn’t. They don’t care!

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            12 days ago

            indeed

            the democratic party never fought like it was existential threat and it showed. ‘Long as I did my best’ indeed biden, indeed.

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              I just want you to note that at the bottom of the link you sent me it essentially says it’s written with chat gpt.

              It’s not trustworthy, though I agree with it.

              This content was partially produced with the help of Benzinga Neuro and was reviewed and published by Benzinga editors.

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                11 days ago

                Its a video of a former obama official and the video is a primary source. Didnt really care about the textual contents of the page was just grabbing a source for the video. Whether jon is trustworthy source shrug id believe it though.

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                  Ah that’s my fault then as I almost never watch videos I absorb information better by reading.

                  Btw this isn’t critical of you, it’s just something to unfortunately be aware of in 2024 :(

                  Off topic but I believe we’re heading into an information apocalypse where we won’t be able to get factual trustworthy info anymore. I’ve been buying up books and I plan on downloading the entirety of Wikipedia but I might be late on that with ai going wild.

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                    Hehe im absolutely cool with the call out on the article. No offense taken. Unlike many I appreciate when people call out bullshit, long as its actually bullshit.

                    we’ve been in one for awhile. AI hasnt changed anything. We’ve had issues with nonsense science, news, etc. literally since time immemorial.

                    I was actually talking with a friend about how disinformation is an incredibly hard challenge and that I believe the only way to address is to actually put impedance in social media and search engines for new content. To allow filtration to happen before eyes see it.

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      13 days ago

      You’re defending the people who embraced the Cheneys and told Bernie and Tlaib to get fucked. Cutting off money and weapons to Israel- who represent only 2.4% of the US population- to end a genocide was the easiest possible win imaginable.

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        If by “defending” you mean “placing blame where it belongs” then yeah.

        Like, if a serial killer has killed ten people then gets charged with killing an eleventh, but he didn’t, then I’d “defend” him too because the person who actually did the crime is still out there and should be held accountable.

        You’re making it out as if I’m trying to say the serial killer didn’t murder anybody. That’s not what I’m saying.

        The Democrats fucked up, big time. But it’s the electorate who let a fascist win.

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            “You better stop selling weapons to Israel so that Iran can steamroll you, or we’re going to throw the largest and most powerful country to the fascists”

            I wouldn’t take that insanity seriously either. And that’s why I’m getting downvoted by a bunch of insane failures of anti fascism. Which is fine, I’m only frustrated at your refusal to take responsibility for your failure, which no amount of “they made me do it” will absolve you from; you’re responsible for your actions, nobody else.

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              Indeed we are, and my actions will never support a genocidal candidate while yours did. Doesn’t particularly matter which genocidal we get when thats the bar. I will admit to a small perverse pleasure knowing you dweeds will be suffering at least a small amount of discomfort. It was the least i could do for the harm we’ve inflicted on Palestinians and the shit stain behavior of people like yourself and harris.

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                The irony of this comment is profound.

                I’m proud of my choices because I fought to harm as few people as possible.

                You’re proud of your choice because you believe your hands are clean despite your choice harming the most number of people.

                Your hands are not clean. I hope some day you realize it.

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                  Incorrect i voted just not for harris or trump, i warned all of you this was going to happen months in advance. You had time to get your act together and pressure Harris. i was i literally begged you idiots for months. I gave you dunces options to still vote for barris while tanking her in the polls, messaging her, etc.

                  Now you see the lesser evil nonsense is just utilitarianism. A philosophy that promotes always choosing the harm to the least amount of people.

                  Unfortunately its a philosophy that is uniquely structured to allow people, like yourself, to think they’re making the best decision. Unfortunately when you have a voting system like ours all it does it let groups like the DNC promote people like trump. Which they’ve been doing for the last 8 years.

                  By doing this the dnc gets to act more and more like trump while you are blissfully morally bankrupted thinking you’re doing the correct thing.

                  Instead all that has happen is you were a frog in a pot getting boiled. Look at you now progenocider, pro immigrant children in cages, antiworking class, literally watched harris shit all over a minority group like a Republicans do. You’re all grown up and you didnt even realize it.

                  Itd be funny if your behavior hasnt been fucking over everyone here at home for literally my entire life. All people like myself did was expose it for what it is. A bad fucking decision that we will not be apart of. Congrats you cut off your noses and spited your face. 🤡

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                    11 days ago

                    lol

                    Go on, pigeon. Shit on the chess board some more and blame other people for your own actions. I’m sure if you shit hard enough, nothing will be your fault.