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      It was fun before… like 20 years ago. Now it’s just… eh. Apple users don’t care about any of that. They want a device that “just works” and has their ecosystem. They’re trapped in it, but eh, what’s the point. They aren’t going to convert, and after converting some people you learn you just become tech support for them.

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        Seriously, does anyone think Apple users care about unlocked bootloaders and LDAC codecs? They want whatever the new iOS features are and their AirPods to work seamlessly.

        I have an Android phone and an iPhone, and they both do pretty much the same thing. I can do some things with Android that iOS can’t, but it’s nothing an average user couldn’t do without, or even know they’re missing.

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          They’re also all made by heartless megacorps anyway. None of the companies are really ‘good’ just different forms of terrible.

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            I’m gonna sound like an Apple fanboy but, I would say Apple is the least worst of them all. Don’t get me wrong, they’re still terrible and all the shit they do but, they at least seem like an okayish company. But I still hate the whole closed ecosystem, and the stupid non-repairability but, almost every phone is now like that sadly.

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              Apple installed nets on the roofs of their factories because too many workers committed suicide jumping off them.

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          To be fair i do care quite a bit about that. Phones just make bad computers to me. Small screen and half is used by a keyboard.

          They seem designed to frustrate me so “it just works (most times)” is the only way i can stomach owning one.

          I have a dream where apple is forced to make ios fully open source and where screen/input devices can freely stream any system/OS from a dedicated server.

          Iphones are so “cleverly” dumb it makes them usable.

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            I dunno, I had iPhone in my hand for app development, and I wanted to shoot it out of the cannon into the sun.

            You have to understand the thinking process behind the UI, and it’s not ‘intuitive’ to everyone.

            And I just couldn’t use it, it drove me crazy.

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              Switching OS is a pain. And when you aren’t using it as your daily driver, it just makes it worse. It took me a couple of weeks of exclusively using iOS for it to become comfortable. If I were using Android at the same time I doubt it would’ve ever stuck and I’d still be annoyed rather than quite comfortable and agile now.

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                Not being able to do some things is the biggest blocker.

                Sideloading for instance. Photos disappearing inside the Photos app and not being in files is also weird. It just felt like I was a moron who couldn’t handle my own files.

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            where screen/input devices can freely stream any system/OS from a dedicated server.

            I experimented with that, you can kinda do it with Android and an Android emulator. It was decent on the local network, ok with good cellular signal, and terrible when cellular wasn’t the greatest

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          I think even the average users are becomming aware because of how inferior iOS is. For example, all these things I’m going to mention below are doable on any Android (no root or bootloader required) since 2015 or even older versions while iPhone cant do shit:

          iPhone cant temporarily disable apps, can’t prevent apps from using networks, cant disable system apps, cant open multi apps in mutli windows, cant location spoof, cant disable any system app or feature, cant customize themes or control anything in comparison.

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            Yes but 99.9% of users don’t care about any of that, that’s what others were saying in this conversation.

            Just to bring my personal pov: I’m a tech guy and I couldn’t care less about any of those features. My phone is an appliance like my dishwasher, i only need it to do well the few things it does for me and the iPhone does them incredibly well. Productivity work and fun is done on real computers. I don’t care if android phones can purr or do somersaults.

            If you like to do complicated stuff on your phone then those things matter to you and you will deem iOS inferior, and that’s fine. But realise you are planets away from the average user.

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            You can uninstall a lot of Apple’s apps that come preinstalled on an iPhone. Not all of them, but a surprising amount.

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            I’m using both iPhones and Android phones (vanilla and rooted), the only valid point you make is about using themes. I belong to to the 99,9% of users who don’t bother.

            You forgot some important feature that Android phones have: They don’t pester you too much about privacy: they allow apps per default to use the GPS, message you, etc. Also they come with a lot of unneeded apps preinstalled, some of these being impossible to deinstall

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        Except when the shitty ecosystem fucks with everyone else. Eg. when trying to get files from an iOS device to another phone. You need to use 3rd party software, which is almost exclusively shit on iOS and (at least in my school) no iPad kiddie managed to use local file sharing websites. The real kicker? Sharing stuff from the teachers iPad to the students does not work reliably either. Never. 20 students, and Apple can’t manage to transport shit. We resorted to uploading it to Teams - so much for Apple’s nice ecosystem for easily sharing files, which ends up taking 15+ Minutes.

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        I‘ve used Android and iPhones for multiple years. Now I am using an iPhone and I am very happy. Main reasons are build quality and software. It just works. And the main advantage is primarily if you use multiple Apple devices. And since Android phones are expensive as fuck, too, I don’t care about the price anymore

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          They are as trapped as people are requiring Adobe products even though they fuck them as hard, or even harder, as apple.

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        They want a device that “just works” and has their ecosystem.

        i have friends that struggle to pay rent and they’re forced to pay apple’s extortion-esque prices when something goes wrong or when purchasing their phones and equipment.

        witnessing them suffer like this hits close to home for me because i grew up poor enough to ration out the government cheese & powdered milk along with asking extended family and begging neighbors for food so that we could stay alive until next payday and also because i’m tech savvy enough to understand how unscrupulously apple has behaved at creating this well designed trap of an ecosystem that’s actively easy to fall into and passively difficult to leave; locking my friends into a seeming perpetually repeating cycle of new iphones and government cheese.

        i think that the icing on this shit-cake is that they’re all atleast vaguely aware that apple is screwing them over; but they still accept it because it either “just works” or it’s “all they know” and that blows my mind because 5-year-old-me HATED government powdered milk in my cereal enough to switch to oatmeal for breakfast if it were an option.

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        Weirdly, a lot of them seem to care a whole lot about the color of their speech bubbles in their sms app

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      This isnt elitism, this is trying to show apple users they are being scammed. Sure, most of them are happy that way, but maybe some of us should have higher standards for ourselves

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      And yet every time Apple announce a new product or feature, Android fans are here with their ‘welcome to the past’ memes.

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    mAh is a stupid way to measure batteries. Wh is more relevant.

    It also tells nothing about the efficiency of the device. You can add a 50kWh battery to a device but it doesn’t matter if it uses 2kWh at idle

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      I’d argue Wh is a complete waste. Just use J, which is the much more established unit.

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        I disagree. Joules are really hard to understand to laypeople. Watt-hours directly relate to the power of a device without conversion, and can even be really translated in terms of power bill.

        3.6 megajoules? Eh, I guess that’s maybe a lot? Or not?

        1000 watt-hours? Oh, like running a microwave for a whole hour? Dang that’s a LOT!

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      A 4Ah battery at 5V would be a 20Wh battery, drop the kilo. Electronics draw power at idle, not energy. 2kWh is meaningless without an idle duration. What are you saying?

      Wh may be better for determining total energy storage across differing cell chemistry. mAh is standard for electronics and makes more sense at the design level as the battery voltage is chemistry dependent and known to the designer.

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        i don’t think any manufacturer publishes the voltage their devices run at, could be anywhere from 3.3 to 5V. so i don’t know how an end-user is supposed to compare battery sizes between devices.

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          They would also have to give current draw which isn’t really possible since each end user has different apps and behavior. So you more often get standby time or video playback time which are based on an “ideal” (probably non-bloated) clean OS. That’s more useful to an end user but also subject to marketing fudging the figures.

          You can often look up the battery chemistry or use an app to access sensors btw.

          At the end of the day battery capacity is only one factor of many in battery/charge life and is generally just marketing in the context of phones.

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        What? They draw power, not energy?

        Energy is just the product of power and time. And just like amperage, the power draw of a device varies.

        And this should be obvious, but what makes more sense to an electronics engineer doesn’t matter one bit to the end user. And the end user doesn’t know anything about milli-amperes or volts (except maybe their wall outlet voltage).

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          Yes power is a rate. As you said energy is the time integral of power. So it’s meaningless to state an “energy draw” without a duration implied or explicit. E.g. what does drawing 2kWh at idle even mean?

          I agree about end user sentiment. I was trying to suggest as well. The only way to know which battery/phone is going to have a better battery life is to identify reviews with similar usage to your own or cross-compare metrics across devices you’re familiar with. In general, phone A with a 4000mAh battery won’t necessarily outlast phone B with a 4500mAh batt.

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            Well you don’t say it draws 2 kWh at idle. You say it draws 2 kW at idle. While that is incredibly inefficient, it means that for every hour the device is idle, it draws 2 kWh of energy.

            Oh yeah battery size isn’t sufficient to fully gauge battery life. You need to know power draw to calculate that. And it’s good to get battery life ratings from reviews. Great. It helps a lot.

            But it doesn’t mean we shouldn’t get good, comparable physical specs.

            Kinda like processors. Gigahertz and core counts are far from telling you everything, but it doesn’t mean it should be abstracted into some weird unit.

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              Per the kW vs kWh, see top level reply.

              Yeah a metric would be nice but it would need a standard test. That’s why idle time and video playback time makes a good amount of sense. But it’s not entirely clear how that would translate into usage for example in back country (where cell network drains power harder) or travel. So it’s not perfect. But it is probably the best measure guven hardware and usage vatiation. In any case it’s subject to marketing dudging the numbers in various ways.

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      you can optimize your android device battery in ways iphones cant. For example you cant disable or remove any system app consuming your battery in iPhones, but that is instantly doable in Androids

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          To be fair, you can do pretty much anything on a rooted Android.

          But I wouldn’t say “instantly” since you’d have to root it first.

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          Settings, apps, Google play services, disable. Very easy. Nobody is saying “you can disable any app you want on android and your phone will magically just keep running perfectly as though it’s not dependent on it” just that it is possible to do so. Yes, I understand disabling Google play services will cripple many features. It is however possible, and you’ll still have a functional phone afterwards. The same cannot be said about iPhones.

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          iphones cannot temporarily disable apps, cannot prevent specific apps from accessing network, cant spoof live location sharing, cannot even multi-window several apps at once. those are 4 simple examples which I personally find very helpful which all androids can do for more than 10 years already while iphone cant.

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      I believe it actually has to do more with historical conventions in electronics or math. (This is just what I remember from heresay when I was in university as an electronics engineer), but there is also a mathematical reason.

      history hearsay theory

      The easiest way to measure power draw is by measuring current draw (voltage across a sense resistor) way back before there were affordable, quality ICs to measure voltage and current and pretty much joule count.

      To add to this, current sensors are much easier and cheaper than test machines that do the calculations for you.

      When lithium batteries and NiCAD batteries became standard compared to the earlier lead-acid (which are measured in Wh), they had an extremely flat voltage curve compared to lead acid. They could be considered to be at a constant voltage.

      Now cheaper electronics were being made and if a designer wanted to know how long a battery would last, they could take the nominal battery voltage that the battery would be at a vast majority of the time, and they could just measure the current draw over a short time of the circuit, 10s of calculations, and you have your approximate battery life. There is a joke that engineers approximate π to 3.

      Even designing electronics today, everything is specced to current draw, not power draw. ICs take X current in mA during Y operations. Your DCDC converters have Z quiescent currents and from there you can calculate efficiency. It is much easier to work in current for energy running through the circuit.

      Math units

      Ah is a measure of electrical charge.

      Wh is a measure of energy

      Batteries and capacitors hold charge so are measured in Ah, generators that power the grid generate energy and use of that energy is measured in Wh (it also isn’t a “constant” voltage source like batteries as it is AC)

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        The thing is, it does not matter how much charge the battery holds, it does matter how much energy it holds. Without knowing the Voltage the Ah is useless.

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          Sorry, but you are simply wrong. Simple math says that you are wrong.

          You can buck or boost convert nearly any voltage to any other voltage.

          Then measure the current output of the battery, boom you have battery life.

          Also electrical charge can be used in many, many very valuable calculations without involving voltage at all.

          Let’s take an arbitrary example with an arbitrary battery powered device. Let’s say the battery is somewhere between 1V and 10000000V. You can’t measure it because you might blow up your multimeter.

          You know that the battery is 5000mAh. You can safely measure that all of the circuitry is draining 1000mA because sense resistors or contactless magnetic current measurements don’t have anywhere near dangerous voltages. You know that the battery will last about 5 hours. What is the voltage? Doesn’t matter.

          Yes, charge and the flow of charge is not the entire story, but to say it is useless or does not matter is just a straight lie. It is fine if you don’t understand electronics, but then don’t spit out misinformation.

          Yes Watt-hours would give a more complete picture to slightly tech-inclined consumers (makes 0 difference for 99% of consumers), but then it returns to not mattering because you can do the 5s calculation yourself because single cell lithium batteries are overwhelmingly 1 nominal voltage.

          Literally 90% of calculations related to efficiency are JUST as valid using mA as W.

          Your device uses 12mA at idle with a 5000mAh battery has the same relevance as your 18.5Wh battery using 45mW at idle.

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            I am ONLY speaking from a consumer position and for those Wh is more useful.

            The consumer looks on device a and on device b and then determines how often he can recharge its device. With Ah you cannot do this unless you know the Voltage, with Wh you can make this decision without any further knowledge.

            Yes this does not include battery life or conversion of efficiency. But a cunsumer measures nothing he looks at the lable.

            It is fine if you don’t understand electronics, but then don’t spit out misinformation.

            Btw. no need to insult me. I have never put out misinformation, I may have not stated enough that I am viewing this as a consumer.

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              Please explain to me what the difference is between battery life if you have a 5000mAh battery and an 18Wh battery.

              Please state the calculation that you would use to “determine how often you have to recharge” that is valid for Wh and not for Ah. I am all for it. If you can cite a single source where the manufacturer gives a specification that would give battery life in Wh, and not in Ah, I will concede the entire argument and say that you were right the whole time in every comment make a note that you were right. Please show your calculation work.

              The thing is, it does not matter how much charge the battery holds, it does matter how much energy it holds. Without knowing the Voltage the Ah is useless.

              This is patently, objectively misinformation and completely false. That is a direct quote of your words, today. That was your last comment. I have already laid out multiple examples of how Ah is a useful measurement and what you can do with it. Therefore, it is misinformation. It is not disinformation, but stating untrue things as fact is misinformation, even if you have no idea you are wrong.

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                If you can cite a single source where the manufacturer gives a specification that would give battery life in Wh, and not in Ah, I will concede the entire argument and say that you were right the whole time in every comment make a note that you were right.

                Basically every Laptop manufacturer.

                Primary Battery

                3-cell, 54 Wh, ExpressCharge™ Capable, ExpressCharge™ Boost Capable

                https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-computer-laptops/latitude-5550-laptop/spd/latitude-15-5550-laptop/s0035l5550usvp?ref=variantstack

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                  Lol, you literally quoted me, didn’t actually read what you quoted, and then did something completely different.

                  Do you know that battery life ≠ battery capacity? That is not the same measurement as I have already tried to teach you 3 times.

                  Please state the calculation that you would use to “determine how often you have to recharge” that is valid for Wh and not for Ah.

                  What is its idle power draw? What is its power draw under load? Playing video? Sleep mode? That source gives nothing which determines battery life. All it gives is a nearly useless capacity number, just like all other manufacturers. So not valid at all. You still have exactly 0 more information about battery life.

                  If I am wrong, please state your calculations of what the battery life is with that 54Wh battery.

                  Your entire argument was “Ah is useless and Wh gives consumers the information to determine battery life” So go ahead, determine the battery life.

                  How is this any different at all if they said that it is a 5.8Ah battery? They don’t give any current or power draw.

                  As an exercise:

                  can you tell me the battery life difference between an arbitrary Laptop A with a 54Wh battery and Laptop B with a 27Wh battery?

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      Yes. I really wish all batteries used watt-hours. All it’d take would be for someone to design a phone that runs at a different voltage and their battery numbers would stop being comparable.

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      I guess it comes down to whether we want to primarily communicate battery size in terms of charge (Coulombs = Amps * Time) or energy (Joules = Watts * Time).

      The first metric you multiply by your operating voltage to get the second metric, whereas the second metric you have to divide by your voltage to get the first. Depends on what comes easier to most people.

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        With the increasing abundance of electric vehicles people are getting used to (k)Wh as the unit for battery size. It would make sense to use the same unit for smaller electronics as well, IMO.

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    That Sony retailed for $1300 when it launched

    The iPhone goes for $800

    The 13 Pro which released around the same time also had USB 3.2g2 and 120hz display. The Pros are clearly a better comparison.

    That’s not to say Apple’s done good or anything, just a super expensive Android device vs the entry iPhone doesn’t seem like the best comparison

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          op’s post was making the point that a lot of specs of the 2024 iphone 16 were already found on the 2021 sony xperia 1 III. I don’t really care about either, and you could use a lot of different 2021 android phones as a comparison. I don’t even think the comparison is entirely fair, but to ignore the fact that apple is clearly lagging behind android on certain aspects while hiding behind marketing is just misguided. Also, their phones are just overpriced because of price, and the innovation argument is getting old.

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      Was gonna ss with the 16 as comparison but it doesn’t show pricing. 15 is still $eu600 or greater REFURBISHED. The xperia is $eu 400 REFURBISHED. (SS shows the cheapest on amazon for both.)

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        Buy a phone and keep it for as long as you can, and in general, just buy less phones. Don’t upgrade each year, that’s extremely stupid.

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            Repairability is definitely a factor, but don’t forget considering how long a company will support software updates for the device, how the device meets your needs no only today but 5-6-7 years from now, and your options for repurposing the device once it reaches EoL.

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            That won’t solve the software side. My previous phone was still working, but then Google fucked up the software. The first because it required some new ssl standard for all connections that the phone didn’t support. The other one because google added a whole lot of local Infos, pictures and features to the map that could not be disabled, therefore rendering my Navi to a unresponsive, slow and battery draining app I could no longer use. And then there where some apps that would not run because my os was to old.

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              True! fairphones are at least okay-ish there too. They actively cooperate with devs that make open source android OSs. But yeah Google still has way too much power in the entire android ecosystem. Many banking apps don’t work without Google Wallet, which doesn’t run on degoogled OSs.

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            My iPhone is repairable and supported until 2028. And because Apple is refusing to make more mid-size phones, I will be using this one until 2028 at minimum.

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              Lol “repairable” as long as it’s just the battery, can’t even change the screen without breaking functionality because “security” and you’re more likely to need to replace the screen than anything

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          I will never understand if some people are rich or simply stupid to buy a new phone every year, especially iphones since there is almost to nothing in terms of upgrades to the hardware.

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            With T-Mobiles JUMP program you can just turn on your phone and they wipe out the remaining EIP in exchange for the new EIP each year (and for awhile every 6 months). If the new phone is not more expensive then your bill doesn’t change at all, if the new phone is cheaper then the bill goes down. They refurbish and resell the turned in phones, which also means the catch is you have to keep the phone in good condition.

            I upgraded every year, then broke the tradition for my current longest streak of 2.5 years with the OnePlus 8T because no other phones excited me except for the Foldy phones, but at the time only the Samshit folds were available on TMO so I waited for the then rumored Pixel Fold. (OnePlus stopped selling in all Carrier stores in the US during this time, so noe OnePlus Open for me :( )

            I have resumed the tradition as I am awaiting my delivery of my Pixel 9 Pro Fold tomorrow lol

            It’s honestly been a fun journey that started with the Nexus One

            Then to the Motorola Backflip (Cool phone, miss it dearly)

            To one of the first phones with a fingerprint scanner (Motorola Atrix 4G, it was called a “gimmick that wouldn’t last” at the time LMAO)

            To the Nexus 4

            To one of the first waterproof phones in the US, my beloved Sony Xperia Z which then broke 6 months later (think I dropped it) which led to the Nexus 5

            To my first and LAST Samshit phone the Galaxy S5 (Which I hated and upgraded away from as soon as I could)

            To the Nexus 6 and then 6P when the “Phablet Wars” started,

            To the OnePlus 3T (one of the only phones I bought outright)

            To the second phone in the US to sport a “shatterproof” screen, the Moto Z2 Force (pretty fun phone, I tossed that thing around like crazy lol)

            To the OnePlus 6T (Iirc the first phone they started selling in carrier stores) which led to the 7T and then 8T which led to the “Great Waiting” of 2.5 years for Google to hurry the fuck up with their Pixel Fold

            To the Pixel Fold and now finally, the Pixel 9 Pro Fold

            Lots of firsts, and experimentation in that list, lots of memories, root experiments, custom kernels, over clocking, pushed most of those phones to their limits in the year I had them. Hell, I would have probably been among the first with a Foldy phone if it wasn’t for the fact the first foldys were Samshits…

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        Yes, good recommendation for a phone with a chip that was underpowered at release. Good luck for the next 7 years (amount of time you’ll get software updates on a flagship phone which costs as much as the fairphone and very rarely fails)

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        You seem to imply that to use a fairphone means using a phone you don’t like

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        Correct, you could buy one fairphone for the price you’d pay for an iPhone over several years

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    Not even what it was once close to being unfortunately on the android side either.

    Android users have also been losing features every year.

    Flagships have seen the removal of:

    -SD card expansion - what we could once count on to use phones like mirrorless cameras is now gone so they can rip you off for higher non expandable storage (128GB SD? $10. 128 -> 256 GB base? $200)

    • 3.5mm - why buy cheap wired headphones when you can force people to spend 10x as much on wireless! Coming up with a solution to a problem they invented.

    • IR blaster - yes I used it since it worked on TV, receiver, DVD player, air conditioner, etc. Also super convenient if you have used stuff you bought without the remote

    • FM radio - yes I used it again since no data needed! Can also be fun to listen to campus radio or when travelling

    • notification led - The RGB led was pretty good when you had binds foe each app to know who texted you and why. Always on OLED draws substantially more power than the LED did

    • Always unlocked bootloaders - the custom ROM scene was pretty big at one point, but has shrunk as more manufacturs have begun locking bootloaders ‘for safety’

    • removable battery - phone no longer holding a good charge? $15 fix. Was also super convenient since I bought a spare that I kept charged and in my bag, meaning I could go 0% to 100% in 2 mins… better than fast charge!

    List could go on for longer. Maybe it’s just nostalgia but I do miss some of those days.

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      This is what Android users get for pining after Samsung despite them being first in line after Apple to remove most of these. JFC they made a phone that exploded and they STILL lead the market.

      (yes, I use android too)

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      • Losing SD Expansion sucks; they should bring this back. Only reason they stopped this is greed.
      • Yet another Nice-To-Have that is gone; but I’ve never seen any phones that weren’t Samsung with this. This one doesn’t really even affect waterproofing; or phone size so they have no excuse.
      • I certainly miss this one; but the FM Radio was present back on my 2020 Moto G6 Power. It was present on my 2020 Moto Edge. This one got stolen from us because we lost the 3.5mm Jack too…they used the wire from your wired headphones as an FM Antenna lead.
      • This is nice; but I ended up having to root my Nexus 6 to make this work properly and use all the colors the LED could perform. I don’t really miss it with Bezel-less phones.
      • I hate that bootloaders are frequently locked; but it’s been less necessary to root Android as it’s improved over the years. There are still a few pain points; but not quite as many that require root.
      • This is another case of greed. There’s no reason why we shouldn’t have removable batteries for phones that aren’t IP67 or higher. If it ain’t waterproof; there’s no reason to seal the battery in…and replaceable batteries is a benefit when they accidentally ship units that become “spicy pillows” when the batteries swell due to bad batteries. It also simplifies disposal of phones; which don’t need disassembly if they’ve got a removable battery.