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    Problem solving. Maybe we shouldn’t have pushed STEM so hard to the underpaid, unemployed, underinsured masses.

    -Somebody with the wherewithal probably

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    I love how transparent the billionaire media is now. everything I’ve heard about this guy is a character assassination or speculative at best.

    they even mobbed the highschool he graduated from…EIGHT YEARS AGO. All to get some clips they can piece together to fit the narrative that he’s “a bad crazy man with a gun”.

    this shooting has certainly scared the fucking shit out of the aristocracy though. you can tell how scared they are by how hard the media is pushing the story of his capture.

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    No, Mr Mangione! A Fortune 500 executive is a living, enterprising creature!

    I don’t care…heheheh <ebike swerves onto sidewalk>

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    I admit I’m kinda disappointed. He pulled out almost perfect assassination that looked well thought out, managed to get away with only a few hickups in his plan as far as his face is considered, and then walks around with a murder weapon and a manifesto in his bag? Shame, really. All he needed was to lay low for a while, grow a beard and he’d probably be OK.

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    He also had a three-page handwritten manifesto that included grievances with the US healthcare system, a document that spoke to the suspect’s “motivation and mindset”, officials said.

    Publish it then.

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      America’s working class has a long history of buying into propaganda and acting against their own interests. It’s a huge reason why the medical industry has gotten so bad.

      That being said, it’s important to keep our anger focused on the system, not people who are getting suckered by it.

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        It pains me to see so many people ready and willing to beat up their Trump voting neighbor who fell for propaganda designed for them but not the Trump financing ceos

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      Reported by a worker at McD. Wtf, they’re the group that would benefit the most from a change in the healthcare system. Idiot.

      Or, and hear me out here, we can view this with a little sympathy: there’s $60k in rewards for anyone who turned this guy in, and the person who did it makes peanuts at McDonalds.

      Now, I don’t know if I would do it, but I can completely and utterly sympathize why someone who makes poverty wages would turn class traitor for what almost certainly life-changing money.

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            With the review bombing and public hatred of that McDonald’s location? Fired is more like it.

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                The corporation? Definitely not. But review bombing and boycotting will hurt the profits of that franchised location, and its owner certainly will.

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              I meant more like, that’s the best accolade you may get as someone working for McDonald’s. But yes, McDonald’s absolutely has a reason to support the status quo in terms of corporate rule.

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          No way the average person working at Mcdonalds does anything but blow 60k even if they get it.

          Edit: To be clear, I spent 4 years working at one. Good people, bad people, but not much economic sophistication in either group.

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            Yeah, the fucking idiot will probably all blow it on something stupid like an ER visit.

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          They’ll let him order anything he wants off the dollar menu!

          Which is really just a pack of fries, minus the fries at this point, becaues what store has a dollar menu anymore?

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          Here here. I’m poor as shit, got no insurance whatsoever, 60k would be somewhat life changing for me. I would never ever squeal on a comrade like that, even for millions.

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        Neat how that works. Keep the populace poor and they become a wall to wall surveillance system for you. And people worry about technology…

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        that person might get 60k…

        maybe because of this circle jerk, regime will pay out to prove a point.

        but there is a lesson in this discussion folks.

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            I guess people are saying that they believe there is such a thing as an ethical murder in the streets. Of course in any form of ethics vacuum chamber this can’t stand. But in the real world where children are bombed for the sake of some asshole’s religion, where the president boasts he could get away with murder in the street and courts confirm this, in a world where sick people are left to suffer to boost a share price, then, THEN an act like this becomes a reasonable response to an unreasonable world.

            Maybe someone better educated can tell me what ethics scholars have to say about how an ethical actor should behave in a system where ethics have utterly broken down. Right now, the crowd is saying “like that guy.”

            I’m ill-disposed to wag my finger at them, and think the only ethical course is to address the corrupt environment in which this act occurred, because that environment undermines any one-dimensional ethical evaluation of this murder in the street, and that makes me deeply uncomfortable.

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            To be charitable, other people can have different views on ethics.

            For example, if harming a CEO who helped raise claim denial rates from less than 10% to 30% results in revised policies and less overall suffering, that could be morally justifable to some.

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            What about the cheering on of murder in the street?

            Nah, that rich fuck had it coming, shooter is a hero.

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            Vigilante justice indicates a failure in the system to administer justice.

            It is absolutely in society’s interest that someone who has caused deaths and misery of thousands is punished.

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                Luigi wasn’t really in a position where he could stop the CEO through any lesser use of force.

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                  And that’s because it’s not his job to do so. Not every problem needs to be solvable by any given individual.

                  If he really was that passionate about the problem, he should’ve run for office to get into a position to solve the problem, or at least joined forces with some group that pushes for causes he believes in. Or started a business to compete with those businesses he disagrees with. Those would all be proactive steps he could take. Killing a CEO doesn’t solve anything, another will take his place, and surely he knew that.

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            We have a president who says that he could do exactly what The Adjuster did, and get away with it. If the president can do it, why not this guy?

            I don’t like it, but this is our world right now.

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            The comment I replied to wasn’t cheering on a murderer.

            The comment I replied to was trying to convey that an impoverished person may feel like the reward money for turning in a murderer outweighs any moralizing over the murder itself. That the dollar figure could be literally life changing and they may feel they have no option but to turn them in.

            And people downvoted that. Hence my shaken faith in people’s ability to empathize.

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          If I remember correctly, they can be anonymous. If that’s the case, they wouldn’t really be easily taxable. Still, we are talking about the government here, and if they tax lottery winnings, I would bet they tax rewards.

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          shooter and ceo were closer in class than the shooter and working class

          Ah, good ol’ “anyone who makes enough money to pay rent is part of the capitalist class, not the working class”

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            Family supposedly owns a country club. Prominent baltimore family. If that is so, that is definitely up there in the capitalist class and not working class. Still was rooting for him. Just would have alot cooler if was a working class guy.

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              He was a white collar working class guy. His work history is full of positions at various tech companies working as an engineer. It doesn’t appear that he was handed any sort of dynasty.

              He was upper class, and he had better opportunities than your average American, but he was still a worker.

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          Some people think anyone whose parents actually owned a house are “the elites”.

          No. The CEO earned more in a year than even someone with a six figure salary would earn in a lifetime.

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              Maybe his family did, but judging by his work history, he wasn’t personally wealthy enough to be owning a country club.

              If he was “owns a country club” rich, his work history would mostly just say “Owner and CEO of whatever country club”.

              There’s no reason to work any sort of normal job if you have that kind of income rolling in.

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              Could well be in debt up to their eyeballs and barely making a profit, for all we know.

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      Simply a lack of class consciousness. America has worked hard since the rise of the USSR to topple workers power through union busting and destruction of community.

      Basically we are built by our material conditions.

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      $50k is 1-2 years pay for the person who reported him. For them, that short term relief was worth more than the highly improbable outcome where this man’s actions actually impact their life in a positive way in the next few months. Money wins almost every time

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      One doesn’t have to go far to find a boot-licking class traitor who thinks if they run the rat race well enough they’ll get a piece of cheese.

      But to be fair to the McDonalds worker, the cash reward is designed to do just that.

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      We can’t tell you who squealed, but it was one of the dozen employees at this McDonald’s. Probably the one that’s going to change jobs soon…

      I’d be pissed and scared if I was an employee at that McDonald’s

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      Idiot yes but we can’t be too harsh on the pedon… so much education needs to be done, and these recent events is a good time for outreach and education.

      Unity is the message. Luigi did the hard work, least the plebs can do it show some solidarity.

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          Tell that to the social Democrats that build labor rights brick by brick a century ago. A lot of times they litterally starved on strike.

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            You’re right. But they would have literally starved or been mangled by a machine if they had done nothing. Back then, the greatest weapons the top 1% had were hired guns.

            A century ago, your choices were to die today on strike, or die tomorrow from starvation or work conditions, even if you play by the rules. Now, the greatest weapon the 1% has is complacency. You can die today on strike or you can play by the rules and the corporate overlords will feed you just enough until you become too expensive to feed.

            How do you ask someone to starve when they have a legitimate alternative? Complacency is a killer.

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              How do you ask someone to starve when they have a legitimate alternative?

              I know this was more of a rhetorical question, but for anyone who is legitimately asking this question: you show them that it’s not actually a binary choice. There’s options like communism and unionization that can both protect them and feed them.

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                The best part of long-term solutions is that they’re actually solutions. The worst part about immediate satisfaction is that it’s only immediately satisfying. If someone has an immediate problem, it’s hard to get them to look at long-term solutions.

                Sorry, I’ve been a major downer today…

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          in practice it do seem like that…

          But the Adjuster was from well off family, and not all of us dirt poor… i don’t blame the snitch here.

          I do expect most people to be able to do their part tho… if wage slaves can’t rally around this, we gonna have another generation of the fuckening.

          make no mistake, the owner class will punish us hard for this.

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            I don’t blame the worker either. I don’t know their story, but if someone told me that I could either keep my mouth shut or feed and care for my family, I’d probably get chatty too. $60K isn’t enough to feed you for life, but it’s enough to get reliable transportation, clear a little debt, and buy a little time and cloth to interview for a job that pays better than McDonald’s.

            What I’m saying is that it’s really hard to live by high standards when getting fired from your shitty-ass job could destroy, yet it doesn’t pay enough for you to escape. Once again, class solidarity is for those who can afford it.

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              Once again, class solidarity is for those who can afford it.

              Ok, where are you going with this?

              middle 60% of america can’t afford to not be a bootlicker?

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                The middle class income ranges from $17k per person up to $90k per person. I hope you don’t think that I’m trying to belittle anyone. Someone making 90K can definitely afford to not be a bootlicker; a family of four averaging nearly $17K per family member is gonna have a much harder time.

                The year that I lost my shit-paying job only to find an even worse-paying job with more hours was really fucking tough. If you’d offered me $60K legally when I was making $12K and scrambling for rent, I’d’ve had a really hard fucking time saying no to that. Back then, I was living alone and had very little to live for. Drop me into my current living arrangement and sub that situation: I’m saying yes to the money 80% of the time.

                I wish I could say that I’m better than that, but struggling in a capitalist society makes you sick, scared, and desperate really fast. I’m not saying that people with lower income deserve lower expectations or should live by lower standards. I’m just saying to reserve your judgement before shitting on someone and labeling them a snitch before you know whether they could have afforded anything else.

                For those of us who can afford class solidarity against the top 1%, we need to remember that the most vulnerable need to be helped up, not stepped on. Instinctually blaming this McDonald’s worker helps the billionaires class far more than many of us may realize.

                Maybe I’m off-base, but ultimately, this act of betrayal is unlikely to have an effect on the momentum of this potential movement. Whoever killed Thompson is unlikely to act again, their message was unlikely to be heard while they were in hiding, and if they are the hero everyone believes they also likely would forgive someone who was trying to de-shittify their life a little bit.

                If you want this to move forward, pull those below you up so they can join us, not attack them for being on a lower level. Class solidarity is for those who can afford it. It sounds like you and I can afford it, so help someone else be able to afford it. Don’t shun people who are too scared of starving to fight. Feed them.

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      Because they rely on “tips” , as the corporation is unable to pay a wage that is sufficient to support a basic standard of living. If only capitalist weren’t so greedy they wouldn’t be relying on the tips to survive.

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          Also worked there. There is no McDonald’s that has ever allowed tips. It’s against their corporate rules. I even saw an employee get written up for accepting a tip, once.

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    There’s a picture of him holding a McD happy meal?? He had the gun and manifesto just laying there in his backpack? You f’ing kidding??

    Some elite fucks used an advanced AI search algorithm to search a bunch of people who vaguely looked like him. Input term search for social media and ‘reviews’ to further narrow down until you find someone who has a few tweets and posts that the media can point to say “yup hey look, he liked Kzynski’s manifesto on goodreads…got the guy!”. Plant evidence, and you got your scapegoat.

    This poor kids’ life is ruined. And he will probably be threatened if he doesn’t plead guilty and waive jury trial. He’ll get a visit from the MIB threatening to skin his family alive in front of him if he doesn’t play along.

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      Reading these fantasy takes is exhausting. It’s hard to want to be a part of a community that supports this guy by gaslighting everyone, saying things like “it’s not the same guy in the four photos!” Just hundreds of people all convinced they can secure this guys freedom by acting dumb and face blind- you’ve created a whole fictional scenario here that’s just unbelievable and unrealistic.

      If he didn’t want to get caught he shouldn’t have left DNA all over, shouldn’t have taken off his mask, shouldn’t be carrying the murder weapon days later… He could have helped himself but instead there’s an army of idiots who are probably just creating this fan fiction to impress their peers. It’s very childish though. This guy tried to do something which is commendable, or maybe he’s just mentally ill, but I’m just tired of reading all this nonsense. Who are you signalling to?

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        I posted this elsewhere, but this is one of the few times I buy the conspiracy theory, not the official story.

        Dude pulls off a targeted assassination, gets away clean, trolls the cops with a bag of monopoly money, gets out of the state, stays essentially hidden for almost a week… And then gets clocked by some poor maccas employee and gets taken in with a manifesto AND a gun on his person?

        It’s the nazi flag and 3 copies of The Sims all over again, except this time the folks doing it are slightly more competent and actually pulled it off.

        This case is so important, so high profile, that they just need to arrest someone ASAP. Anyone. And that person is not in for a good time.

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          There’s a simple explanation: He wanted to keep on the move, and he wanted to be able to take down other targets.

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          His face jas been plastered everywhere for the past week. My YouTube home page literally had 3-4 thumbnails of his face on every reload. Lemmy…X…news sites…massive exposure.

          So yah…some random worker notices his face looks kind of similar while he’s dining at his favorite spot and bam. Don’t forget there was a $10k bounty, plenty of fast food workers might be itching to collect on something like that.

          He probably figured once he was questioned about anything that they’d eventually get him so he prepared for that scenario. Or maybe this wasn’t even his last stop on his triple-D tour so he was still geared up.

          We’ll see him in court. If he’s innocent then he make a pretty good argument and then we can decide whether to raise eyebrows but this all just seems Q-anon levels of silly right now.

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              $50k from the FBI?! You gotta be shitting me… If this happened to anyone of us the FBI wouldn’t give a single fuck.

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        To be fair, people were posting actors who look like the very shitty pictures we have of the guy too, and I buy some of them. Honestly, the picture we have looks more like Timothée Chalamet than this guy. I’m not saying it isn’t this guy, or it is Chalamet, but there’s a shit ton of people in this world, and a lot look like the shooter.

        Edit to add: I’ll never trust the word of the authorities. They have to prove that this is the man. It’s their duty, not ours.

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          If you look at a photo of the guy taken from above him, so a similar angle to the surveillance camera, he looks very similar. I do think it’s him.

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            They’re going to have to take it to court and provide evidence. Trust is what you give to someone without the need for evidence. If they can prove it, then sure I’ll believe it. I’m not just going to trust that they’re correct without that though.

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              Is there a reason to think there will be no trial and this guy by some reason will end up in some CIA black site without trial?

              I just find it interesting that someone who has absolutely no trust in authorities does not have a theory that court can be influenced by the same authorities.

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                end up in some CIA black site without trial?

                No, he’d end up Epsteined. If the evidence were a plant, he’d be of no use to them alive.

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            Even if they proved it was him it doesn’t matter. When OJ was acquitted, Jurors admitted they did it as a fuck you to the LAPD and justice system.

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        I understand where you’re coming from. I was in your shoes about 15 years ago, hearing about “crazy conspiracies” or perspectives like mine and dismissing them as baseless and ‘fantasy’.

        My brother/sister, let me be crystal clear—both to you and anyone else who happens to read this: unless you’ve worked in my field, which I can say with near certainty you haven’t, then you haven’t seen, witnessed, or experienced the things I have.

        I say this in all seriousness: these people have unimaginable resources and capabilities. They possess the willpower and determination to execute plans like the ones I’ve described—and far, far worse. I’ve seen far more extreme measures taken for far less than what might be perceived as even a minor threat to the capitalist power structure. They’ve invested immense effort into building and maintaining this system, and I can tell you from personal experience that they’ll go to great lengths to protect it. This is not some wild fantasy or baseless conspiracy theory—it’s entirely within the realm of possibility, and is our reality.

        That said, I completely understand and respect your skepticism. I wouldn’t blame you if you don’t believe me. In fact, I’d expect you not to. Why should you? I’m just an anonymous person behind a pseudonym on a random discussion board, and I have no concrete evidence to present—only my word.

        Take from this what you will.

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          unless you’ve worked in my field, which I can say with near certainty you haven’t, then you haven’t seen, witnessed, or experienced the things I have

          I’ll bite, what field are you in?

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      I think he knew he was going to get caught. Words on bullets, monopoly money… It’s trying to make the story larger and larger. Pretty sure he will make a show in front of the jury.

      I don’t know if that will work, but I respect that more than he killed the pig without making clear why.

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      You can’t convince me this is the real shooter, this guy looks more like Skeet from Jimmy Neutron than the “Grin Reaper” in the now famous pic

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        I said this to many folks IRL, the guy the NYPD charges will not be the shooter. just some poor sap that gets sent to prison for life because he had a dissenting opinion.

        it’s the high price we pay to keep them in power.

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      What would “the elites” stand to gain from framing this dude, while the actual killer is still on the loose?

      This is pretty unhinged, to be honest.

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          By sending him to prison?

          That’s not really telling people anything they didn’t already know.

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        The killer is not as dangerous as the approval for his act. The government wants to prevent copycat vigilantes by making an example out of him. Regardless whether this guy is guilty or not, they’ll drag him through the deepest mud and then string him up with the harshest possible sentence, to discourage others from gunning down CEOs.

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          I very much doubt the possibility of going to prison will deter someone pissed off enough to kill someone.

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        I’m not adopting the conspiracy here, but if they can’t find the shooter with the whole country getting behind him, then they would want the optics of finding the shooter. Which could backfire, of course. It would be very telling, for example, if the cops got real confident about it and then the real shooter made some kind of public display with the false shooter in custody.

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          This was my thought process, too. If they got a framed guy here, the actual CEO killer would likely or hopefully do something else to let the public know that they were still out there.

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          Yeah, thats part of the reason I don’t buy it. If the actual killer acts again, it will be very embarrassing for the police.

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        Yeah, I get that. However, the optics of having a successful “martyr” symbol is very, very dangerous. A wide scope of narrative means difficult to control. Difficult to control introduces “motivator to action” symbols among a, I think, specific (and quite populous) demographic (think of all the young males with zero purpose, waiting to seize on an opportunity for a real life Mr Robot, for example)… “well if he could do it, get away with it, AND become a ’hero’, what’s stopping me from doing the same?”

        Having someone, anyone, buys time to craft the narrative and gauge public sentiment and, most importantly, dampen the probability of a revolutionary ’spark’ if you will.

        Obviously we don’t have enough information here. It very well could be the dude they have in custody. I am only sharing one possible theory based off my experience and observations. And there are a number of very suspect observations here that are in line with narrative management.

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          I think the actual truth is, this guy isn’t a criminal mastermind, and he got caught.

          He also looks a lot like the surveillance photo.

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          He was an ivy league grad, vacations in Bali, and his family owns a country club and a chain of nursing homes. He almost certainly has more money than the guy he shot.

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              He was CEO, not founder. The dude was only worth around $50 million. The shooters family owns a country club and an entire chain of nursing homes. They almost certainly have more money, probably a lot more money.

              I can’t answer your other questions. Perhaps the answers will be in his manifesto.

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            No way that he personally had more money than the CEO, from just looking at his work history. Maybe his whole family has more money than the CEO, but if we compared whole families against each other, the CEOs family would still come out on top.

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    Does the police media briefing affect his right to a fair trial? They mentioned his motivation and mindset and a note. Apparently he implied money had been planted in the charge hearing.

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    Lemmy went from being outraged at the elections to becoming un ironical Unabomber stans so fast that I didn’t even realized it