Raising a child costs between $13k[2] and $35k[1] per year in the USA – depending on where you live and who you ask.
With a minimum wage job ($7.25/hr) you need to work about 5 to 13 hours per day to make that much – before taxes.
[1] https://smartasset.com/financial-advisor/cost-raise-child-2023
[2] https://www.investopedia.com/articles/personal-finance/090415/cost-raising-child-america.asp
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More proof it’s more punishment than concern for the baby. To them, sex is a sin unless for procreation and your punishment for having sex for fun or while poor (or sexually assaulted) is that you have to bear the burden because you sinned. They can’t handle their own sexual shit because it’s not allowed to be talked about, so they make us all deal with it. She doesn’t want to have her 3rd baby, but she’s a good Christian woman who can’t say no to her husband, so she has to have it, and she wants other women to have to have it too. The fawning over babies and speaking to the “sacredness of life” is the facade they wear because it sounds more “Christian”.
Oh that and, male power over women’s bodies. Because, you never know, that mystery pregnancy you got after the club might just be Jesus! Zeus came as coins ffs, so God may appear to the new Mary as rohypnol. Who knows?
This isn’t proof, it’s a strawman argument.
It’s fascinating that this isn’t something that is always thrown back in the so called “pro life” person’s face. They’re only pro birth. They don’t care if the baby that comes out is fed, clothed, housed, eventually educated, etc. Or at least, they don’t believe there’s any collective responsibility to take care of that baby.
It is. They don’t care because they’re arguing in bad faith to begin with. They don’t care about children. They never did. This was about identity politics and concern trolling.
They proved this by immediately jumping to “trans panic” the instant roe was overruled by the illegitimate scotus who apparently forgot the 9th and 14th amendments even existed but they sure remembered “tradition & history”
That’s a strawman. We do.
You do. But not the politicians who actually get it into law. Also who has decided you are the spokesperson of the pro life movement?
The problem is there is a completely different perspective here. I dont want politicians to give people things like welfare not because I hate people, but because I think it turns them into dependents, and I think it actively harms them.
I agree that incorrect administration of welfare can lead to that. But thats also the politicians job to manage.
Thats also comparable to saying I don’t visit doctors I fear a mistreatment.
Its too big or a job for a politian to manage, it has to be run well at the street level.
Going to the doctor is a bad analogy, it would be more apt to compare it to someone taking pain medication because their back hurts, and they get hooked on the pain pills, but the reason their back hurts is because they are morbidly obese. We need to go after the problem, not enable the problem.
That is true we need to fix the problem. So in your analogy you would’ve stopped giving the person pain medication?
And how is the person crippled by pain supposed to stand, walk or excercise without pain medication?
I get it addition to pain medication is bad. I would assume most people know that, even those addicted. But the alternative is those people succumbing to pain, which would prevent any improvments.
Hence, yes I agree. Just throwing around money is not going to be the solution, but so is also not giving any.
Sorry, if you are not able to apply that analogy, I dont care to re explain every scenerio.
Conservatives want live babies to grow up to be dead soldiers. George Carlin
Maybe true in the 90s, but now the liberals seem to be just as war hungry.
*per year
Thanks for pointing it out. I corrected the post.
Yes and we should. We should also make childcare free.
It can’t be free.
What you’re actually saying is that “childcare should be communally funded by taxes”.
I’m not on board with that unless it comes with limits on reproduction, especially for those who pay zero taxes.
Stop creating more human lives when you can’t even independently support your own.
First of all you’ll be really happy with all those babies when you turn 80 and society hasn’t fallen because the average age is 70.
Second, when childcare is free more people can join the workforce, this increases taxes and productivity.
But maybe the most important it will make society more equal. When you’re poor working almost doesn’t make sense if you have to spend 80% of your salary on childcare. So more people don’t work, these people are usually women. That really doesn’t help with an equal society, because a big group can’t really work so they can’t really climb any ladders.
We should prioritise supporting the creation of more human lives
something something Bootstraps something something worked my way to the top
A lot of the issues here can be side-stepped with proper sexual education classes.
No amount of education is going to side step getting fucked in the ass like working for minimum wage.
They also tried to sterelize the lupenproletariat and it didn’t end well.
Plus, no matter how many destitute families expire, they refill the servitor ranks with brain draining the rest of the planet.
Because without maintaining an excess supply of working hands, the marginal cost of labour would explode. And the rich want their latté.
All this to say, the low wages are kept low by design.It’s the very reason for all the assfuckery.
So no, it won’t be solved by getting the poors to fuck less and have less kids.
Literally.
I know someone with 11 kids and 3 grandkids. He only just received a raise to ~50k which is more than he’s made in his entire adult life. I know many people in similar situations including my own family. While it may be a struggle, children can be raised when household income is at or below poverty level. Don’t believe anyone who tells you otherwise. Money (or lack there of) will never justify killing a child.
At a bare minimum there is adoption. Thousands of couples can’t conceive and would love to adopt.
Abortion is not “killing a child”.
The ignorance you’ve displayed here is astounding and sad.
You should never be allowed to control other people’s medical procedures.
Right wing policies hurt women every time.
What you’re doing here is the exact same as them: no discussion possible. The only valid viewpoint is yours. The end. And you also add a verdict to your sentence.
I agree with them. You dont kill (cull) a child because of money. You never kill a child.
I also agree with you that a fetus is not a child. And that abortion is not evil or bad.
See? Both can be true.
Adoption is not the silver bullet people seem to think it is. If the baby isn’t white, or has health problems, there’s a much higher chance they’ll end up in the foster care system.
Separately, carrying a pregnancy and giving birth are extremely dangerous. Depending on which state you look at, American women face the highest maternal death rate in the developed world. Also, the leading cause of death of pregnant women in America is intimate partner homicide, and intimate partner violence frequently escalates during pregnancy. How does adoption fix those problems?
Uncertainty and risk are ever present and bringing a child into adverse circumstances is scary. I don’t have any silver bullets to address the multitude of problems you listed. I do know, however, that if we treat every human life as precious, in utero and out, child and adult, that we will live in a better world. If we live in the truthful acknowledgment of the sanctity of life then we will have to forge a better future for the children that are deserving of their chance in life no matter what hardship awaits them. Our judgment is imperfect and shouldn’t dictate whether anyone, particularly an innocent, dies.
Then you and the people that agree with you on what constitutes the beginning of human life need to be fighting tooth and nail for social services and social welfare programs to support people before, during, and after pregnancy/birth. “Life begins at conception” and “pull yourself up by your bootstraps” are fundamentally opposing ideals unless they are only backed by cruelty, cognitive dissonance, and hate.
If you truly believe that all life is sacred, and that life begins with conception, you need to be turning around and fighting the people beside you on the importance of supporting the humans that are outside the womb.
Y’all need to get cracking on those incubators that can grow a whole-ass child from a couple of cells outside of a human womb. Otherwise, you’re just advocating for modern-day slavery. Poor look, my dude.
Honestly, I hope this all gets pushed through. My salary adjustment would be glorious. Otherwise, I’m quitting my job and watering flowers at Lowe’s. No need for all the stress when I’m barely making above minimum wage at that point.
There are two completely separate issues that dont make sense to combine unless you just want to use it as a weapon. The question is if the fetus is “sacred” and deserves rights, if so then you cant kill it.
Bullshit. You can’t deem life “sacred” for fetuses while completely ignoring the existing lives that are snuffed out, violated, exploited, etc. How can life be sacred at birth without life as a whole being sacred as a prerequisite?
And yet, we ignore the fact that there are children who literally don’t get to eat food every day in a country that calls itself the greatest on earth… Children who can’t access healthcare, children who die in shootings, children who die because people won’t vaccinate their own kids, children who commit suicide feeling they can’t be accepted. Are their lives no longer sacred, now that they’ve emerged from the womb?
If potential life is being considered as sacred, then existing life must first be considered sacred.
Who said all human life was not sacred? Who said I dont care about all of those things?
One does not preclude the other. Human life is sacred from conception to death.
If they were the men who would get pregnant, there would be free abortion services in any hardware store.
Make it an abortion kit
I’m not advocating insane gop’ers, it’s up to the woman, but they’d say it’s about not killing a kid. They’d go up for adoption which is very successful in the US. They are insane assholes but this is a pretty weak argument IMO.
Use condoms, it’ll always be cheaper than an abortion.
Vasectomies are cheaper than condoms in the long run, unless you’re a monk.
Mine cost me $20 in copay, not bad at all!
“No, god won’t stop abortions from happening, but he makes sure that all wealthy people are good and all poor people are bad and deserve it.”
You know, as much as I do like this website, I do find it kind of tiring how the top posts tend to just be like. Like this is an NPC meme, you know? This is a chad vs virgin type of meme. This is about a step away from choosing to portray your opposition as a soy wojack. Sometimes I find that kind of funny because of how absurdly idiotic and brainbroken it reveals the creator of the meme to have been, but I dunno, something about the mainstream adoption of this kind of thing is just kind of incredibly depressing. It’s like I am seeing the mainstream consciousness break apart in real time.
Can we go back to advice animals and rage comics, guys?
With a minimum wage job ($7.25/hr) you need to work about 5 to 13 hours per day to make that much – before taxes.
This is the main point of this post. The meme is just a means to gain attention. I believe people are more likely to consume meme posts than plaintext.
Memes have become a sort of coping mechanism/method of communication, and it just reflects the the broader state of the world around them.
Places like Lemmy have becomes bastions for people to share their thoughts and opinions, because the overwhelming consensus is the acknowledgment of being helpless and this is a way to vent and share (what should be) obvious solutions to the problems we’re facing.
Sure, we go out and vote and talk to friends and family about the things we can do to make change, but we’re not in the class of people to make that change happen.
So I say fuck it, post away the neo-nilhism memes, I’ll upvote em and laugh away the enormous issues the world has.
