And you think lending validity to Israel’s claims that its actions are purely to defend itself from a bigoted terrorist threat is going to help anything?
There’s an enormous gulf between asking nicely and spreading imagery that implies you want to literally murderer all Israelis. Have you considered that the most effective action may exist somewhere between those two positions? Also I’m very mad at you right now for making me sound like a centrist. Blech.
Yeah every one of these garbage posts come across as a false flag operation aimed at proving that people (especially leftists) who oppose Zionism are violent bigots.
OP, you are literally playing right into the Zionists’ hands with this crap.
I think it’s specifically meant to debunk the idea that meat is the only affordable source of protein-dense food, when in reality there are vegan protein-dense foods that are even more affordable.
That doesn’t conflict with the fact that a well balanced diet is important; it’s just addressing one sticking point that tends to come up in these conversations.
“what could I have done as Winston Churchill or (I think it was) Truman.”
These people were influential but did not have unilateral power. In their position I would have tried to establish refuge for Jewish people and grant them protective status. Then because of how racist and dumb society was, I would have lost my political position and my influence.
Everything you’re saying really just supports the fact that the nations of the time were handling the situation in a wildly immoral way, and the creation of Israel as an ethnostate was part and parcel of that immorality, and remains highly consequential to this date.
There’s no point asking me as an individual how I would personally have solved the crisis if I could travel back in time, because one person can’t unilaterally force a nation to do anything without being a dictator, and people don’t become dictators without doing horrible things.
What matters is recognizing that the Israel of today came to exist out of two factors:
Now we’re stuck dealing with the consequences of our idiot racist ancestors. Let’s just try our best to not be overtly idiotic or racist ourselves (racist, for example, by turning a blind eye to the genocide happening to Palestinians, as if they’re not even human beings, or idiotic by thinking that there’s any justification for Israel’s insanely disproportionate use of force).
Just to be clear, I’m not accusing you specifically of being racist or idiotic, I’m just describing my general position on things.
Give them sanctuary with protected status in your own country rather than driving other people out of some other country.
I mean scientists tried being polite and give gentle nudges with the climate crisis for decades and look where it got us. Civilization is driving towards a cliff and we’ve thrown away the steering wheel.
When I was younger I used to think that being nice to people and engaging them on their own terms is the best way to win people over to your cause, but at the end of the day people don’t actually bother to change unless they realize that they need to for their own survival. So I’m done putting all my eggs into the respectability politics basket, and I’m not going beat around the bush on what a fucking cataclysmic crisis we’re being faced with.
I certainly won’t win anyone’s affection, but if I can get at least one person to pause and ask themselves “…Am I in danger…?” then I’ll take that as a win. If others think they can win people over with kindness, they’re welcome to try.
Weird take on morality.
I’m eager to acknowledge the systemic challenges of being veg_n since those were barriers for me in the past myself. I’m privileged to not have those issues anymore, but I still recognize the premium that I pay to be veg_n (my partner and I refer to it as “the vegetarian tax”).
I harbor no animosity towards people who can acknowledge the sustainability crisis of the meat industry but aren’t in a position to personally separate from it. The expectation that I have for decent and informed people, in order from the bare minimum to the absolute most is:
I find that meat eaters’ reactionary indignation to the facts of the harm caused by eating meat is way more aggressive than veg_ns trying to point out to people that we’re literally killing ourselves as a species.
It’s somehow even stupider when people who are veg_n like yourself act like it’s offensive to promote the importance of veg_nism to a world that will otherwise die.
I really don’t care how many people like me when it comes at the cost of the continued existence of humanity. I have no remorse about shoving an uncomfortable message into the faces of people who need to hear it.
Because you don’t like seeing people promote lifestyles that are objectively necessary for human life to be sustained on this planet in the long term?
Or because you don’t have the discipline to overcome the upbringing that conditioned you to feel addicted to meat consumption, and you subconsciously realize that veg*nism is the morally and ecologically superior lifestyle and that leaves you with an inferiority complex that makes you lash out at others like an upset child?
You oppose veganism from a moral standpoint…? You think it’s immoral to subsist without needlessly torturing animals, or is there some other agrobusiness propaganda wedged in your brain that you haven’t taken the time to debunk yet?
Honestly it’s the right call. We’re really not worth it.
(On a more serious note, if this is happening to you then you’re not following the instructions to clean the device and replace the filter once a month.)
And you HAVE TO eat it.
I think a long time ago a vicious cycle began in the advertising space where predatory ads had more incentive to pay for ad space, so sensible people start to perceive ads in general as predatory. Now no sensible advertiser that’s trying to promote a legitimate product for legitimate reasons will do so by buying ad space, thus reinforcing the increasingly accurate perception that all ads are predatory.