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  • The safest method, if your /home has enough space, is to use it instead of /var for (some) Flatpak installs. You can force any Flatpak install to go to /home by adding --user to the command.

    If you look at the output of flatpak list it will tell you which package is installed in user home dir and which in system (/var). You can also show the size of each package with flatpak list --columns=name,application,version,size,installation.

    I don’t think you can move installed apps directly between system/user like Steam can (Flatpak is REALLY overdue for a good package manager) but you can uninstall apps from system, then run flatpak remove --unused, then install them again with --user.

    Please note that apps installed with --user are only seen by the user that installed them. Also you’ll have to cleanup separately for system and user(s) in the future (flatpak remove --unused for system, then flatpak remove --unused --user for each user).


  • lemmyvore@feddit.nltoLinux@lemmy.mlThe Dislike to Ubuntu
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    2 months ago

    It’s not an issue on Arch & derivates, due to the simple fact I mentioned above: third-party (AUR) packages are never allowed to use the name of an official package.

    If a third-party package was already using a name that a new official package wishes to use, users are required to willingly uninstall the third-party package in order to be allowed to install the official one, and can never re-install the third-party package unless it changes its name.

    It also helps that there’s only one third-party repo (the AUR) so it prevents name overlaps among third-party packages. Although that’s of secondary importance since it can be bypassed by crafting custom packages locally.

    I appreciate the difficulty of enacting such a rule on Debian or Ubuntu now, considering the vast amount of already existing, widely established third-party repos, and also the fact that Debian official repos contain 3-4 times as many packages as Arch official repos. Which is why I think there’s no way to fix this aspect of Debian/Ubuntu anymore.

    I’m not saying that makes them unusable… but I believe that anybody who uses them should be [made] aware of this caveat. It’s not readily apparent and by the time it bites a new user she’s probably already invested a couple of years in them.


  • lemmyvore@feddit.nltoLinux@lemmy.mlThe Dislike to Ubuntu
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    2 months ago

    Interesting, I’ll keep it in mind.

    Still not sure it would help in all cases. Particularly when 3rd party repos have to override core packages because they need to be patched to support whatever they’re installing. Which is another very bad practice in the Ubuntu/Debian world, granted.



  • lemmyvore@feddit.nltoLinux@lemmy.mlThe Dislike to Ubuntu
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    2 months ago

    Third party package mechanism is fundamentally broken in Ubuntu (and in Debian).

    Third party repos should never be allowed to use package names from the core repos. But they are, so they pretend they’re core packages, but use different version names, and at upgrade time the updater doesn’t know what to do with those version and how to solve dependencies.

    That leaves you with a broken system where you can’t upgrade and can’t do anything entirely l eventually except a clean reinstall.

    After this happened several times while using Ubuntu I resorted to leaving more and more time between major upgrades, running old versions on extended support or even unsupported.

    Eventually I figured that if I’m gonna reinstall from scratch I might as well install a different distro.

    I should note I still run Debian on my server, because that’s a basic install with just core packages and everything else runs in Docker.

    So if you delegate your package management to a completely different tool, like Flatpak, I guess you can continue to use Ubuntu. But it seems dumb to be required to resort to Flatpak to make Ubuntu usable.


  • lemmyvore@feddit.nltoLinux@lemmy.mlLinux middle ground?
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    2 months ago

    You were merely lucky that they didn’t break.

    Lucky… over 5 years and with a hundred AUR packages installed at any given time? I should play the lottery.

    I’ve noticed you haven’t given me any example of AUR packages that can’t be installed on Manjaro right now, btw.

    it wasn’t just a rise in popularity of Arch it was Manjaro’s PAMAC sending too many requests DDoSing the AUR.

    You do realize that was never conlusively established, right? (1) Manjaro was already using search caching when that occured so they had no way to spam AUR, (2) there’s more than one distro using pamac, and (3) anybody can use “pamac” as a user agent and there’s no way to tell if it’s coming from an actual Manjaro install.

    My money is on someone actually DDoS’ing AUR and using pamac as a convenient scapegoat.

    Last but not least you’re trying to use this to divert from the fact AUR packages work fine on Manjaro.


  • That’s exactly the problem. Wayland is a set of standards, more akin to FreeDesktop.Org than to X. It lives and dies by its implementations, and it’s so utterly dependent on them that “KDE Wayland” has started to become its own thing. KDE are pretty much forging ahead alone nowadays and when they make changes it becomes the way to do it. Also what they do can’t be shared with other desktops because they’d have to use KDE’s own subsystems and become dependent on its whims.

    It wasn’t supposed to be “Kdeland” and “Gnomeland” but that’s what it’s slowly becoming. We’re looking at major fragmentation of the Linux desktop because desktop teams have and do stop seeing eye to eye on major issues all the time. And because there’s no central implementation to keep them working together they’re free to do their own thing.


  • We need to keep a balance between security and convenience, to avoid systems becoming too awkward to use. Wayland tipped this balance too far on the side of security. Malicious local exploitation of the graphics stack has never been a big issue; consider the fact that someone or something would need to compromise your own account locally, at which point they could do much worse things than moving your windows around. It’s not that the security threat doesn’t exist, it’s that Wayland has approached it at the wrong end and killed a lot of useful functionality in the process.

    Also consider that this issue has existed for the entire history of desktop graphics on *nix and nobody has ever deemed it worth to destroy automation for it. If it were such a grave security hole surely someone would have raised the alarm and fixed it during all this time.

    My opinion is that Wayland has been using this as a red herring, to bolster its value proposition.


  • lemmyvore@feddit.nltoLinux@lemmy.mlLinux middle ground?
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    Manjaro has no purpose, it’s half-assed at being arch and it’s half-assed at being stable.

    My experience with Manjaro and Fedora, OpenSUSE etc. contradicts yours. Manjaro has the best balance between stability and rolling out of the box I’ve seen.

    “Out of the box” is key here. You can tweak any distro into doing anything you want, given enough time and effort. Manjaro achieves a good balance without the user having to do anything. I remind you that I’ve tested this with non-experienced users and they have no problem using it without any admin skills (or any admin access).

    Debian testing is a rolling.

    It is not.

    AUR isn’t a problem in Manjaro because of lack of support, it’s a problem because packages there are made with Arch and 99.999% of its derivatives in mind, aka latest packages not one week old still-broken packages.

    And yet I’ve managed to install dozens of AUR packages just fine. How do you explain that?

    Matter of fact, I’ve never run into an AUR package I couldn’t install on Manjaro. What package is giving you trouble?

    Manjaro literally accidentally DDoSes the AUR every now and then because again they’re incompetent.

    You’re being confused.

    AUR had very little bandwidth to begin with and could not cope with the rise in popularity of Arch-based distros. That’s a problem that needs to be solved by the AUR repo first and foremost. Manjaro did what they could when the problem became apparent and has added caching wherever it could. Both Manjaro and Arch devs have worked together to improve this.







  • lemmyvore@feddit.nltoLinux@lemmy.mlLinux middle ground?
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    There is no other Arch-based distro that strives to achieve a “rolling-stable” release.

    Alternatives like Fedora have already been mentioned by other comments.

    Debian testing is not a rolling release. Its package update strategy is focused on becoming the next stable so the frequency ebbs and flows around stable’s release cycle.

    manjaro since it manages to be less stable than Arch specifically because of their update policy

    This is false. Their delayed updates mitigate issues in latest packages. Plasma 6 was released late but it was a lot more usable, for example.

    I mean why even be on Arch if you can’t use the AUR and have the latest packages?

    Anybody who wants Arch should use Arch. Manjaro is not Arch.

    Some of us don’t want the latest packages the instant they release, we’re fine with having them a week or a month late if it means extra stability.

    There’s nothing magical about what Manjaro is doing, it stands to reason that if you delay packages even a little some bugs will be fixed.

    Also you can use AUR on Manjaro perfectly fine, I myself have over 100 AUR packages installed. But AUR is not supported even by Arch so it’s impossible to offer any guarantees for it.

    There’s also Flatpak and some people may prefer that since it’s more reliable.