A white peace would be great but I doubt Putin would accept that.

How to say you’ve been guzzling war propaganda for the past two years without saying it.

everyone but the NAFO trolls

Again, it’s pretty clear what your statement is trying to say, and it’s absolutely hilarious how you’re trying to spin it into something else now.

The government in Ukraine very clearly does not represent the interests of the people living in the country. It banned all opposition along with free media, and cancelled elections. It’s a western backed dictatorship that’s literally kidnapping people off the street to throw them into the war. This is what people like you stand for https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/15/world/europe/ukraine-military-recruitment.html

That’s fair and I often do add archive when I know there’s a paywall. I’ve got a plugin that does a decent job of unpaywalling, so sometimes I don’t even notice it. So I agree with you that adding archived links is a courtesy, but people acting as if not posting a link at all would be better are just being unreasonable in my opinion. This is the plugin I mentioned incidentally

https://github.com/iamadamdev/bypass-paywalls-chrome

That is literally the only possible out come of this war. How many more people have to die and how much more Ukraine has to be destroyed so people like you can finally understand this fact?

Nice historical revision there, but those far right parties, who all have close ties with Russia and/Putin personally, have been very in favour of the Russia invasion of Ukraine right up to the point where they stopped winning.

[citation needed]

Huh? What collapse? I certainly haven’t noticed it, and the tiny drops of aid to Ukraine certainly haven’t been the cause of it. In fact, the most-opposed countries have given less than a tenth of a percent of their GDP.

Ah yes, I’m personally unaffected by the events in the world around me, therefore they’re not happening. The economic war with Russia has obviously been the cost for things like rising energy prices, which led to collapse in industrial production in Europe, and made it impossible to compete with China. The most opposed countries are now having massive cost of living increases, business failures, and showing complete lack of economic growth.

If you understood that US has more political influence over Europe than Russia then you’d also understand why your conspiracy theory is nonsensical.

Anybody with a functioning brain understood that Ukraine could never win a war against Russia. As Obama openly said back in 2016:

Obama declares Ukraine to be not a core American interest and that he is reluctant to intervene in the country, because Russia will always be able to maintain escalatory dominance there. “The fact is that Ukraine, which is a non-NATO country, is going to be vulnerable to military domination by Russia no matter what we do.”

Yet, western powers convinced Ukraine to fight Russia anyways because as RAND explained back in 2019, using Ukraine as a proxy was seen as a way to weaken Russia.

The reason the war started has also been publicly acknowledged by the head of NATO

The background was that President Putin declared in the autumn of 2021, and actually sent a draft treaty that they wanted NATO to sign, to promise no more NATO enlargement. That was what he sent us. And was a pre-condition for not invade Ukraine. Of course we didn’t sign that.

The opposite happened. He wanted us to sign that promise, never to enlarge NATO. He wanted us to remove our military infrastructure in all Allies that have joined NATO since 1997, meaning half of NATO, all the Central and Eastern Europe, we should remove NATO from that part of our Alliance, introducing some kind of B, or second class membership. We rejected that.

So he went to war to prevent NATO, more NATO, close to his borders.

Now, after two years of the west prolonging the war, the only possible outcome is becoming clear even to dimwitted western public.

neat

Yeah, I wonder why parties that have been against the war from the start are rapidly growing in popularity across Europe as it becomes clear that the war is a debacle that’s now collapsing European standard of living.

Imagine genuinely believing that Russia has more influence over Europe than the US. 🤣

I am happy that the support for the proxy war is finally crumbling in the west which means the war will finally end and people will stop dying. Only a complete psychopath would not be happy about that.

European values are showing again.

Realization they’re not in charge is likely the main driver I would imagine.

Haven’t tried piper myself, is there a link handy? :)

exactly right

Yeah I agree with that. liberalism provided an ideological framework that justified capitalist revolutions that overthrew monarchies and replaced them with dictatorships of capital. I agree that all these ideas are ultimately intertwined.

I’d go further and argue that liberal ideology is a direct product of idealist thought.

as most entitled people are