Okay, how do you suggest we deal with the occupation then? Bomb Yemen? Insult Natenyahu? Try and onvince the Arabs - 400,000,000+ people - who would kill to trade their life for the death of an Israeli soldier to normalize with Israel? None of these worked if you get my meaning.
that will never happen aslong as the US 1) has veto power 2) has any influence at all
and I am not the person you are replying to, however, all none violent means have been tried, Isn’treal has been doing this genocide sense the begining, this is the only option these opressed people have, and they have the right to an armed uprising, to save themselves, to free themselves from not just an opression, but from a genocide, from extenction.
@CooperRedArmyDog just to be clear I am not arguing against the use of force. It can be a legitimate form of resistance to violent colonial oppression.
The person above wants to genocide the civilian population of Israel, that’s what I’m arguing against.
they have the right to an armed uprising, to save themselves
It’s not really working out for them. 1.5% of the Palestinian population has been genocided and the genocidaires are showing no sign of stopping. There’s a huge power imbalance.
Like you say, the UN’s hands are tied while the US vetos.
But I do not think calls to genocide the Israelis are constructive or responsible, or even sane.
I am speaking super carefully, because I just got done? maybe arguing with a whole bunch of people from .world who seemed to think any fighting or asymetirical rules of war from palistine was a genocide aganst Isn’treal.
And while I will say things Like I want Isn’treal wiped from the map or even the term isn’treal, I personaly have not ment it as the complete anialation, nor do I think it will come to that, nor do I realisticly think that is what the palistinians want, though I cannot speak for them.
What I would expect the Palistinians would want is their land back … all of it… and the genocide to stop. and I would be willing to bet, that at some point when the aid stops coming or it gets too uncomfertable they will leave, just from the previous power balances. I do not particularly want to see a mass slaughter of the people of Isn’treal, even if I think some deserve the wall.
I would also like to point out the palistinians really had no other choice, their choices where, do nothing and be genocided slowly and quietly, or fight back, and have a CHANCE of not getting completly wiped out, I am not saying either option was great, but I am saying if I understand the position they where in, I cannot say I would have made a difrent one
@CooperRedArmyDog ah that’s interesting I usually find .world to be the instance that has the annoying pro-IDF people in it. Whereas .ml is more reasonable. Maybe it depends on time of day.
I want Isn’treal wiped from the map or even the term isn’treal, I personaly have not ment it as the complete anialation
Yeah no “wiped from the map” literally means complete annihilation, if you’re not genocidal you gotta stop saying genocidal stuff.
I think most reasonable people want Israel to stop occupying Palestine. That doesn’t mean we have to mass murder anyone or make them stateless.
Most of the exiled Palestinians I have met basically just want to live on their land in peace and not be settled and occupied and oppressed. Again, being willing to fight for that doesn’t mean you have to lose your humanity and become genocidal yourself.
Okay, how do you suggest we deal with the occupation then? Bomb Yemen? Insult Natenyahu? Try and onvince the Arabs - 400,000,000+ people - who would kill to trade their life for the death of an Israeli soldier to normalize with Israel? None of these worked if you get my meaning.
I would like to see the international community enforce international law, for a start.
Can you really not see that wanting to murder civillian populations and children is wrong?
that will never happen aslong as the US 1) has veto power 2) has any influence at all
and I am not the person you are replying to, however, all none violent means have been tried, Isn’treal has been doing this genocide sense the begining, this is the only option these opressed people have, and they have the right to an armed uprising, to save themselves, to free themselves from not just an opression, but from a genocide, from extenction.
@CooperRedArmyDog just to be clear I am not arguing against the use of force. It can be a legitimate form of resistance to violent colonial oppression.
The person above wants to genocide the civilian population of Israel, that’s what I’m arguing against.
It’s not really working out for them. 1.5% of the Palestinian population has been genocided and the genocidaires are showing no sign of stopping. There’s a huge power imbalance.
Like you say, the UN’s hands are tied while the US vetos.
But I do not think calls to genocide the Israelis are constructive or responsible, or even sane.
I am speaking super carefully, because I just got done? maybe arguing with a whole bunch of people from .world who seemed to think any fighting or asymetirical rules of war from palistine was a genocide aganst Isn’treal.
And while I will say things Like I want Isn’treal wiped from the map or even the term isn’treal, I personaly have not ment it as the complete anialation, nor do I think it will come to that, nor do I realisticly think that is what the palistinians want, though I cannot speak for them.
What I would expect the Palistinians would want is their land back … all of it… and the genocide to stop. and I would be willing to bet, that at some point when the aid stops coming or it gets too uncomfertable they will leave, just from the previous power balances. I do not particularly want to see a mass slaughter of the people of Isn’treal, even if I think some deserve the wall.
I would also like to point out the palistinians really had no other choice, their choices where, do nothing and be genocided slowly and quietly, or fight back, and have a CHANCE of not getting completly wiped out, I am not saying either option was great, but I am saying if I understand the position they where in, I cannot say I would have made a difrent one
@CooperRedArmyDog ah that’s interesting I usually find .world to be the instance that has the annoying pro-IDF people in it. Whereas .ml is more reasonable. Maybe it depends on time of day.
Yeah no “wiped from the map” literally means complete annihilation, if you’re not genocidal you gotta stop saying genocidal stuff.
I think most reasonable people want Israel to stop occupying Palestine. That doesn’t mean we have to mass murder anyone or make them stateless.
Most of the exiled Palestinians I have met basically just want to live on their land in peace and not be settled and occupied and oppressed. Again, being willing to fight for that doesn’t mean you have to lose your humanity and become genocidal yourself.