After months of getting close, the relationship between Trump and his so-called ‘first buddy’ has become ‘fraught,’ according to a New York Times reporter
Stip trying to police speech among your allies. Focus on intent. Stop with the nonsense infighting we are at war rn.
Isn’t that what you’re doing by telling trans people to put up or shut up when ‘allies’ use transphobic/misogynist insults against ‘enemies’
How are we supposed to know that we won’t just become the next acceptable target for misogynistic/transphobic abuse if/when we end up on liberals ‘enemies’ list?
Trump and Elon are buffoons, it’s not hard to mock them without tolerating misogyny to do so.
It isn’t tolerating misogyny, it’s pointing out misogyny and ridiculing misogynists.
It’s OK if you don’t like how that’s being done, and it’s OK if you can’t understand the nuance but policing my speech unchallenged is not what is going to happen.
I think I got the nuance behind ‘bigoted man I disagree with is actually a woman because women amirite?’.
I’m trans, and like actually hate these people, they deserve ridicule. However, if I’m willing to tolerate bigotry on my behalf towards people that are in some out-group, there’s no guarantee that some day I won’t be among that out-group and subsequently targeted by that type of bigotry. Do you understand the issue I’m raising?
I can’t tolerate people misgendering Caitlen Jenner or Blair white because while they suck, it only contributes to an environment where that type of insult is then considered acceptable.
you don’t seem like you handle people disagreeing with you well. you’ve already called me schizophrenic because I had an issue with your history of homophobic comments, only to be like “well they’re people I don’t like politiclly so it’s okay”
that was my original point, so thank you for demonstrating the behavior I guess
I think I got the nuance behind ‘bigoted man I disagree with is actually a woman because women amirite?’.
Nope.
It goes like this: ‘bigoted man is bigoted because this will aggravate his orange tits. If bigoted man was not bigoted it would not be possible to rip on him like this.’
Put another way: ‘I am a bigot, said John.’
If that doesn’t clarify it then I’m out of patience to explain further.
I made the mistake of trying to converse with that user. Their history doesn’t indicate they are a full time troll, but on these kinds of topics, they certainly are. And I remember them also defending infamous banned troll UniversalMonk on multiple occasions, if you remember that guy.
That’s cool I don’t needhear any more explanations.
Edit: worth noting that nowhere in this thread does this user talk about how language they don’t like feels to them. They just repeatedly state what it “is” condescendingly. And then they intentionally troll people pushing back on that. Funny enough, they accidentally confirmed they are trolling by admitting they are an ESL but then insisting on what expressions mean and sealioning me about them.
Well the truth is as the world goes down the shitter you’ll lose allies anyway. People don’t care about these issues when they have to worry about shelter and food.
I don’t think the people being misogynistic to some rich assholes on twitter are worried about shelter or food.
That said I also don’t see how the fact that fair-weather allies will eventually abandon their positions when things get hard is a case against having standards for behavior in the here and now.
Isn’t that what you’re doing by telling trans people to put up or shut up when ‘allies’ use transphobic/misogynist insults against ‘enemies’
How are we supposed to know that we won’t just become the next acceptable target for misogynistic/transphobic abuse if/when we end up on liberals ‘enemies’ list?
Trump and Elon are buffoons, it’s not hard to mock them without tolerating misogyny to do so.
It isn’t tolerating misogyny, it’s pointing out misogyny and ridiculing misogynists.
It’s OK if you don’t like how that’s being done, and it’s OK if you can’t understand the nuance but policing my speech unchallenged is not what is going to happen.
I think I got the nuance behind ‘bigoted man I disagree with is actually a woman because women amirite?’.
I’m trans, and like actually hate these people, they deserve ridicule. However, if I’m willing to tolerate bigotry on my behalf towards people that are in some out-group, there’s no guarantee that some day I won’t be among that out-group and subsequently targeted by that type of bigotry. Do you understand the issue I’m raising?
I can’t tolerate people misgendering Caitlen Jenner or Blair white because while they suck, it only contributes to an environment where that type of insult is then considered acceptable.
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You’re the type to get weirdly sexual and homophobic when it’s people you disagree with. Not really interested in what you have to say tbh.
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you don’t seem like you handle people disagreeing with you well. you’ve already called me schizophrenic because I had an issue with your history of homophobic comments, only to be like “well they’re people I don’t like politiclly so it’s okay”
that was my original point, so thank you for demonstrating the behavior I guess
Nope.
It goes like this: ‘bigoted man is bigoted because this will aggravate his orange tits. If bigoted man was not bigoted it would not be possible to rip on him like this.’
Put another way: ‘I am a bigot, said John.’
If that doesn’t clarify it then I’m out of patience to explain further.
I made the mistake of trying to converse with that user. Their history doesn’t indicate they are a full time troll, but on these kinds of topics, they certainly are. And I remember them also defending infamous banned troll UniversalMonk on multiple occasions, if you remember that guy.
That’s cool I don’t need any more explanations.
That’s cool I don’t
needhear anymoreexplanations.Edit: worth noting that nowhere in this thread does this user talk about how language they don’t like feels to them. They just repeatedly state what it “is” condescendingly. And then they intentionally troll people pushing back on that. Funny enough, they accidentally confirmed they are trolling by admitting they are an ESL but then insisting on what expressions mean and sealioning me about them.
Well the truth is as the world goes down the shitter you’ll lose allies anyway. People don’t care about these issues when they have to worry about shelter and food.
I don’t think the people being misogynistic to some rich assholes on twitter are worried about shelter or food.
That said I also don’t see how the fact that fair-weather allies will eventually abandon their positions when things get hard is a case against having standards for behavior in the here and now.