Asahi Lina (朝日リナ) // nullptr::live (@lina@vt.social)
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I regretfully completely understand Wedson's frustrations. https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20240828211117.9422-1-wedsonaf@gmail.com/ A subset of C kernel developers just seem determined to make the lives of the Rust maintainers as difficult as possible. They don't see Rust as having value and would rather it just goes away. When I tried to upstream the DRM abstractions last year, that all was blocked on basic support for the concept of a "Device" in Rust. Even just a stub wrapper for struct device would be enough. That simple concept only recently finally got merged, over one year later. When I wrote the DRM scheduler abstractions, I ran into many memory safety issues caused by bad design of the underlying C code. The lifetime requirements were undocumented and boiled down to "design your driver like amdgpu to make it work, or else". My driver is not like amdgpu, it fundamentally can't work the same way. When I tried to upstream minor fixes to the C code to make the behavior more robust and the lifetime requirements sensible, the maintainer blocked it and said I should just do "what other drivers do". Even when I pointed out that other C drivers also triggered the same bugs because the API is just bad and unintuitive and there are many secret hidden lifetime requirements, he wouldn't budge. One C driver works, so Rust drivers must work the same way.
  • unknowing8343@discuss.tchncs.de
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    3 months ago

    I just wish every programmer completed the rustlings game/tutorial. Doesn’t take that long.

    I didn’t even fully complete it, and it made me a way better programmer, because it forces you to think RIGHT.

    It may sound weird for people who haven’t experienced it, but it’s amazing when you get angry at the compiler and you realise… It is right, and you were doing something that could f*ck you up 2 months in the future.

    And after a bit of practise, it starts wiring your brain differently, and now my Python code looks so much better and it’s way more safe just because of those days playing around in rustlings.

    So yeah, Rust is an amazing language for everything, but particularly for kernel development. Either Linux implements it, or it’ll probably die in 30 years and get replaced with a modern Rust kernel.

      • unknowing8343@discuss.tchncs.de
        3·
        3 months ago

        It is a project! All games are, 😅, just follow the instructions from the README. You’ll be solving Rust exercises on your preferred editor, and get some feedback from a terminal window. It’s great.