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    17 days ago

    I cringe every time I see this come up.

    Because it isn’t what you actually mean, and the horrible logic of it makes it easy for the Lemmy Lefties to dunk on.

    Of course a 3rd party vote isn’t a vote for Trump any more than it is a vote for Kamala.

    What it actually is is a discarded opportunity to vote against Trump. Which is also dispicable, but actually accurate.

    Everyone knows that’s what you mean by this, but the Lemmy Lefties will play dumb and latch onto that logical fallacy every time.

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        17 days ago

        Do you know what will definitely NOT help get rid of the electoral college? People wasting their votes on 3rd party spoilers

        Do you know what would MORE LIKELY move people to demand the elimination of the electoral college? Harris getting 10 million+ more votes, and Trump either winning the electoral college or attempting a coup based on lies because a swing state was close.

        The more votes Harris gets, the clearer the will of the people, the harder it is to pretend there was voter fraud.

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          What a bold and bizarre claim to think there is any winning margin that would repel suspicions.

          If Harris wants liberal votes, why is she courting Republicans?

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      17 days ago

      It’s the trolley problem again. This time, you have 3 tracks and 2 switches. The trolley is headed towards 5 people, one switch sends it to 1 person, and the other switch would send it to 0 people, but it’s broken. Voting third party is pulling the broken switch, knowing the 5 people will die but you’ve shifted the responsibility from yourself to whoever was supposed to fix the switch.

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        17 days ago

        Why do neoliberals bring up the trolley problem as if it is some settled debate among scholars that there is one clear possible answer?

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          17 days ago

          I’m not a neoliberal, I’m a socialist. I’m just not an idiot who will give a fascist free rein just because his opponent has the same shitty foreign policy as every politician in the whole fucking country has. There is a difference between the status-quo level of bad and catastrophic.

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      17 days ago

      The Dems are running on Trump’s 2020 platform. Build the wall. Lock up immigrants. Both parties are far-right shitholes, and it’s time people started realizing that.

      The Dems in 2028 will be calling for mass deportations.