Holup. Planetside is still around???

What other options do the Palestinian people have

That’s part of the crux. Both the Palestinians and the Israelis need better leadership.

Unfortunately, we are never returning to the 68 borders. If I had the power to magically make it happen, I would do it in a snap. But the reality is that it’s never happening. Each side has to concede something to move forward. Palestinians need to accept the Jewish state at this point --whether it’s fair or not. 10 million Israelis are not going to just up and leave as much as we wish that could happen. Israelis need to demolish illegal settlements and restore occupied territories even if they are not going to concede the 68 borders.

I don’t really know what the best answer is but the onus is on both parties. I agree Israel has the upper hand militarily, but Israel does not want another 100 years of suicide bombers either. There has to be a path forward.

We agree a lot more than you think. I’m not saying the Palestinians don’t feel justified in fighting. Hamas still enjoys broad support among Palestinians.

The point where we diverge I think is that it goes both ways. The Palestinians never accepted the establishment of a Jewish state, even before the Peele commission even happened. The issue as I see it, that sentiment never wavered even though the context has changed drastically.

Not that any of that justifies the conduct of the IDF in this current conflict. We agree - all I’m saying it’s not so simple as an occupying force creating an apartheid condition.

I don’t know that Israel closed all diplomatic options. There were plenty of offers on the table that Hamas / PLO walked away from.

I don’t think Israel are good guys and they are effective opportunists with the land grabs / settlements. I also don’t think Hamas cares one bit about the Palestinian people either. I feel like they always seem to get carte blanche to act with impunity because the Palestinians are oppressed --which, don’t get me wrong, they absolutely are. It just seems we always single out one party, but to me they are both culpable of exploiting the suffering of the Palestinians. Just my opinion.

Why were they holding hostages to begin?

Does this mean I could install and run Blender on my phone???

What a banal thing to lie about.

I’ve lived there for several years. I’m being facetious obviously. You guys are the perfect example of virtuous indignation.

So the nuclear winter will happen because some people couldn’t agree on a plot of sand in the desert. Good to know. It was a good ride, folks.

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why are you pivoting to foreign affairs. The statement was about which countries has the most blood on their hands. You love word games, don’t you?

I’ve noticed you like to load a lot of emotion in your language. “Cry much” “blood on hands”. I don’t care who has the most blood on their hands. I’d like to see more fact based discussion. Is that…too much to ask? Seems enough to have ruffled a few feathers. I guess I’ll go “cry more” now. Yikes.

Asking for evidence is “whining”. Gotcha.

More grandstanding. Provide an argument instead of patronizing with “go read more”.

In my experience, anyone that has ever said “you need to read more” has either a) no substantive argument to make b) is equally ignorant on the topic at hand. I have yet to be proved wrong, such this lovely example right here. You guys are only interested in grandstanding. Which is fine, grandstanding makes you feel good, so you do you.

Nop. Those where three countries that came up right away at the top of my head with least effort. I’d like to know how you came to your categorical declaration that “America has the bloodiest”. Again, it’s selective outrage. You guys are professionals at picking and choosing.

Imagine selectively ignoring the rest of the context of my whole statement. Are you illiterate? Take the 61 famine alone which killed 30 million people thanks to mismanagement by Mao’s government. You guys are professionals at selective outrage.

“america had the bloodiest”- haha good one. North Korea, Russia, the Uyghuirs in China, and a couple dozen other countries would like a word. I love the selective outrage on this platform.

I’m not offended. I didn’t even grow up in the US. I just hate the low effort and poor media literacy on social media. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. The whole “America bad” is a worthless schtick intended just for virtue signaling.

Is it from the last fifty years? Because if it’s Venezuela, Nicaragua, etc thats all agreed on. If you’re going to refer to that, then I get to apply the same logic and find fault with every other country in the world–we don’t get to pick and choose who we like. It doesn’t work like that. This is still an extraordinary claim for an event that happened last year.