You’re so full of shit.

The fascists winning doesn’t trouble you at all, though, which is weird for a leftist, no? I smell republicans in disguise.

Your greater evil rhetoric puts the actual fascists in charge of America. Did you read project 2025 yet? Or even a summary?

I agree that you didn’t admit it.

Like I said, you’re an accelerationist who wants it to get as bad as possible as far as possible because you think revolution will come sooner that way, and you don’t care how bad the world gets in the meanwhile.

You’re not saving anybody letting the fascists take over the government of the largest military.

You’re a fake left winger because you spend so much time and effort supporting the fascists to win control over America.

No, it makes no difference at all. Trump will win or Harris will win. If Trump wins, the democrats will move right to try to win again.

Fake leftwingers like you would rather the actual fascists took over America.

You keep pretending third party voters are non-voters, which is definitionally false.

You keep pretending that choosing to not affect the outcome affects the outcome.

Well, unlike you, I can tell the difference between Hitler and the democratic party. You’re so full of false equivalence.

If they move left, you’ll still not vote for them because you’re too pure to compromise and you will forever throw your supposedly leftist ideals on the dustbin of throwing what tiny tiny tiny power you have away and convincing anyone that shares your views to do the same.

Read theory. Join an org like FRSO or PSL.

Because Harris listens to what they say?! Your theories seem to result in you checking out of having any effect on the world. No thanks.

If your activism wasn’t about to hand power to the literal fascists, it might have some appeal and I might think you were genuine or correct, but I can’t tell the difference between republican trolls and tankies because they give the exact same advice - if you care, make sure you don’t affect the outcome. What kind of shit advice is that?

They move right when they lose. So that they can win again.

They try to gain power, and they follow the votes that count towards the result. They ignore the votes that ignore the contest. You seem to think they pay attention to the non voters’ views more than the voters views, which is irrational.

Are you genuinely being serious, here? Do you know what Left-Wing means? LMAO

I didn’t say she was left wing, I said she was the most left wing candidate the democrats have fielded in decades. If she loses, the democrats will give up on trying to move left even a tiny bit. If she wins, they can safely move further left. But every time they lose, they move right, to compromise wry the voters who actually vote.

You seem to be confusing Biden and Harris, which is understandable, but not particularly clear headed.

Electoralism is death.

Please stop pretending to care. You’re an acceleratist pretending to want things to get better. You clearly want it to get worse and you come up with the most backwards-on logic to pretend it’ll make things better.

Do you think the Dems analyze the percentage of votes based on the beliefs of their voters?

No, I think they see the republicans win with right wing policies, sigh and say “I guess we’ve gotta do some of that shit to get elected.”

Well, you go ahead and continue to push the democrats right then. I can’t convince you. The outcome of the election will definitely convince the democrats. And I can tell you they will listen to the republican voters before they log on to lemmy.ml because there’s so many more of them and they actually vote in a way that affects the outcome.

If you convince everyone who cares about Gaza not to vote, then the parties absolutely cannot afford to have a pro Gaza stance, because it’s electoral suicide - all the people who care about Gaza don’t vote and will the people who just hate on Muslims so.

I convince people to vote for anti-genocide parties like PSL and the Greens.

Not voting, voting for Shill Stein, it’s all gonna have the same effect - republicans winning and the democrats chasing the only votes on the table because the left folks abstain or effectively abstain.

Not supporting Palestine is electoral suicide.

Not voting is electoral death. Voting third party is electoral death. On which planet is the republicans winning going to make the democrats move away from rightwing policies? None of them!

If the dems don’t want leftist votes and move to the right,

They are going to move to the right if they lose. We have one of the most leftwing candidates the democrats have fielded in decades, and if she loses, the party bosses are going to say “see, it’s senseless chasing leftwing votes, they’re too pure to muddy their hands in actually effecting the outcome - we have to more to where people who actually vote are. The only way to win is to have policies that actual voters like, not your theoretical voters who won’t compromise - you’ll never get their vote. Come back to the centre!” And of course we both know what the centre means in America.

You’re kidding yourself. The Democrats absolutely have to move right when left wing people refuse to vote, otherwise they lose.

Withdrawing your vote is literally withdrawing left wing influence on politics and anything else is just a complicated lie.

Letting the republicans win is just encouraging the democrats to be more like the republicans.

If you convince everyone who cares about Gaza not to vote, then the parties absolutely cannot afford to have a pro Gaza stance, because it’s electoral suicide - all the people who care about Gaza don’t vote and will the people who just hate on Muslims so.

You’ve tied yourself into all kinds of intricate knots. It’s simple. If you convince all the people who care about Gaza not to vote, things get worse for Gaza.

If only right wing people vote, only right wing policies will win.

If only right wing policies win, only right wing policies will be offered.