• Hegar@kbin.social
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    It is quite funny that we call our empire rules based order. Athens was also known for using a lot of euphemisms.

    Something about pretending that an imperial democracy is a legit thing that can exist seems to make you want to lie to yourself.

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      10 months ago

      What’s your alternative when Russia, China, Iran, and North Korea actively seek their own colonialism?

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        Loling at calling China, Iran, or North Korea colonialist.

        Taking the most extreme example, how l the fuck could North Korea be colonialist? They also literally changed their foreign policy to abandoned the project of reunification with the Southern puppet regime.

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            10 months ago

            Do you prefer the old fuedal regime which often treated serfs as slaves to the current autonomous region that a China helped to liberate after a local uprising by Tibetans?

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              Oh, they invaded and annexed a country because they were backwards and needed civilizing, thank you for the clarification. “Better off under us than before” is probably the #1 imperialism cope bud

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                The people there didn’t “need civilizing” the government needed overthrowing, and Tibetans literally started the process and asked for Chinese assistance.

                Next you’ll tell me saying that the Confederacy being destroyed and integrated back into the union at the end of the Civil War was “imperialist”

                I’m begging you to actually understand what imperialism is. Imperialism is not integrating another country by itself, it involves specific financially extractive structures which are absent in the relationship you describe.

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          “Southern Puppet Regime”

          Anyway, they appear interested in war with South Korea again. And they’re shipping arms and ammunition to Russia, which has wound up usef in both Ukraine and by Hamas.

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            “Southern Puppet Regime”

            Yes, the regime that was a military dictatorship all the way into the 80s, whose military is literally under command of US pacific command during war time, who need US permission to fly their imported fighters in peacetime, and who don’t have free speech when it comes to talking about the DPRK

            Anyway, they appear interested in war with South Korea again.

            Ahahahahah. Source? One that isnt funded by a billionaire or a government in service to billionaires please.

            And they’re shipping arms and ammunition to Russia, which has wound up usef in both Ukraine and by Hamas.

            Hmm, sounds like they sell weapons to groups that oppose the US empire, whether they are regional imperial powers or they’re liberation groups.

            That doesn’t make them colonialist, lmao.

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          There’s nothing imaginary about Russia’s invasion and attempted annexation of Ukraine. Nothing imaginary about China’s wish to take all of Taiwan against the wishes of the Taiwanese. Nothing imaginary about belligerent threats by North Korea against South Korea and Japan. Nothing imaginary about Iran’s conduct either. North Korea and Iran ship arms to Russia in support of Ukraine’s annexation. As does China trade with Russia for the same purpose.