Tough decisions all around. The army needs people for defense and they seem to only be able to get men (are women being conscribed?). But men also want to live. Their deaths would be less certain on the front lines if NATO countries hadn’t dragged their feet for a decade.
Oh yeah, to forcefully kidnap people from the streets/homes, put them into vans and send them to die a horrible death or not, a truly tough decision we got here…
And please don’t forget, those people for whom this is a hard decision are the good guys trying to save the world, while those who see this as totally not fucking okay are fascists, Russian bots, “want to take our freedom away and kill us”, etc.
Thanks for all the links.
Being called fascist (which happens a lot on Lemmy for some reason) when speaking out against Ukrainian government which ticks almost all the boxes from the fascism definition on the wikipedia (dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation or race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy), is a brand new level of irony… :/
I know, right?
That damn lemmy.ml echo chamber where people continue parroting this extremist narration that it is not okay to murder people…
Let’s get out of here, and head to something like lemmy.world where we can celebrate hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians getting murdered, cheer for continuation of war and call everyone who disagrees with us fascists!
That damn lemmy.ml echo chamber where people continue parroting this extremist narration that it is not okay to murder people…
So your solution is to lets Russia invade and not resist. I’m sure nobody will be murdered or end up a gulag. No. People will just defenestrate themselves or die of natural causes with 2 shots to the back of the head. That’s what double action means, right?
Holy moly. It’s as if you didn’t have a slice of russian disinformation, you had the whole pie.
So your solution is to lets Russia invade and not resist.
My solution is to stop murdering people and let them decide for themselves.
I’m sure nobody will be murdered or end up a gulag. No. People will just defenestrate themselves or die of natural causes with 2 shots to the back of the head. That’s what double action means, right?
Well, if you are so sure in what you’re saying, then there’s definitely no reason to continue kidnapping people and sending them to die, they will all volunteer to fight because of the awful things that you’ve mentioned that await them if Russia wins, right?
Holy moly. It’s as if you didn’t have a slice of russian disinformation, you had the whole pie.
Please quote me saying one thing that is not true. Just one.
So your solution is to lets Russia invade and not resist. I’m sure nobody will be murdered or end up a gulag. No. People will just defenestrate themselves or die of natural causes with 2 shots to the back of the head. That’s what double action means, right?
Ah yes, your fascist friends are going to end up in prison.
If you can’t understand how ghoulish it is for the western backed regime in Ukraine to force people into fighting against their will, what else is there to say to you.
Noooooo, you don’t understand, wholesome big chungus Ukraine is fighting off those barbaric orcs. We have to send all of the Ukrainian men onto the meat grinder or elsecivilization the west will fall!
Because they’d be so much better if their country gets occupied and they’re forced to fight in putins next war of aggression to try and conjure yet more people to keep in poverty and ignorance with the rest of the Russian empire.
You people with your fantasy about the evil west are laughable when the alternative is literally Russia - if the west did one thing Russia does then you’d be using that in every anti western screed you rattle off.
Ah ‘we won so why are they still fighting?’ Yes that’s not how reality works.
What you mean is ‘Why won’t Europe and the US just let the psychopath dictator invade anyone he wants and lower the standard of living for yet more of the world?’ But the answer to that is too obvious so you know you’d look silly saying it.
The fact that the fighting is still going on doesn’t change the fact that the ultimate outcome of the war is now obvious to anybody with a functioning brain. Eventually, even the most dim witted westerners will have to start grappling with reality.
OK my non-western friend, I’m sure your very unbiased news has lead you to a very wise conclusion that is not at all based on cope and seeth. I do hope you’ll excuse me for not taking it seriously.
Majority of Ukrainians fought with the Red Army against the fascists during the Great Patriotic War. People of USSR understood that fascists represented an existential threat to them, and that’s why they fought.
Yeah, NATO letting this linger and dragging their feet for no reason has resulted in so much extra suffering, it’s the classic case of trying to appease people with a one second single issue attention span while dealing with conflicts that span decades and involve thousands of complex elements.
And of course trying to appease people that literally just want to see the world fall into chaos because order and the long path to social progress aren’t as romantic and fun as playing the heroic idealist. So many people suffer because so few are willing to actually engage with reality.
Tough decisions all around. The army needs people for defense and they seem to only be able to get men (are women being conscribed?). But men also want to live. Their deaths would be less certain on the front lines if NATO countries hadn’t dragged their feet for a decade.
Oh yeah, to forcefully kidnap people from the streets/homes, put them into vans and send them to die a horrible death or not, a truly tough decision we got here…
And please don’t forget, those people for whom this is a hard decision are the good guys trying to save the world, while those who see this as totally not fucking okay are fascists, Russian bots, “want to take our freedom away and kill us”, etc.
Funny you should mention fascists.
Thanks for all the links.
Being called fascist (which happens a lot on Lemmy for some reason) when speaking out against Ukrainian government which ticks almost all the boxes from the fascism definition on the wikipedia (
dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation or race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy), is a brand new level of irony… :/Goshdarnit, I commented on a lemmy.ml post. My bad. Let me exit this echo chamber.
I know, right?
That damn lemmy.ml echo chamber where people continue parroting this extremist narration that it is not okay to murder people…
Let’s get out of here, and head to something like lemmy.world where we can celebrate hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians getting murdered, cheer for continuation of war and call everyone who disagrees with us fascists!
The dumbest take possible of what I said.
JFC, no wonder people block lemmy.ml users.
So your solution is to lets Russia invade and not resist. I’m sure nobody will be murdered or end up a gulag. No. People will just defenestrate themselves or die of natural causes with 2 shots to the back of the head. That’s what double action means, right?
Holy moly. It’s as if you didn’t have a slice of russian disinformation, you had the whole pie.
My solution is to stop murdering people and let them decide for themselves.
Well, if you are so sure in what you’re saying, then there’s definitely no reason to continue kidnapping people and sending them to die, they will all volunteer to fight because of the awful things that you’ve mentioned that await them if Russia wins, right?
Please quote me saying one thing that is not true. Just one.
Ah yes, your fascist friends are going to end up in prison.
The least ghoulish liberal has logged on everybody.
LOL. What are you talking about? Is this an LLM? That response made no sense.
If you can’t understand how ghoulish it is for the western backed regime in Ukraine to force people into fighting against their will, what else is there to say to you.
Noooooo, you don’t understand, wholesome big chungus Ukraine is fighting off those barbaric orcs. We have to send all of the Ukrainian men onto the meat grinder or else
civilizationthe west will fall!Because they’d be so much better if their country gets occupied and they’re forced to fight in putins next war of aggression to try and conjure yet more people to keep in poverty and ignorance with the rest of the Russian empire.
You people with your fantasy about the evil west are laughable when the alternative is literally Russia - if the west did one thing Russia does then you’d be using that in every anti western screed you rattle off.
People who still can’t understand that Russia won the war are not capable of rational thought, and are not worth trying to have a discussion with.
Ah ‘we won so why are they still fighting?’ Yes that’s not how reality works.
What you mean is ‘Why won’t Europe and the US just let the psychopath dictator invade anyone he wants and lower the standard of living for yet more of the world?’ But the answer to that is too obvious so you know you’d look silly saying it.
The fact that the fighting is still going on doesn’t change the fact that the ultimate outcome of the war is now obvious to anybody with a functioning brain. Eventually, even the most dim witted westerners will have to start grappling with reality.
OK my non-western friend, I’m sure your very unbiased news has lead you to a very wise conclusion that is not at all based on cope and seeth. I do hope you’ll excuse me for not taking it seriously.
What is with the young man who had to defend the motherland in the great patriotic war?
Majority of Ukrainians fought with the Red Army against the fascists during the Great Patriotic War. People of USSR understood that fascists represented an existential threat to them, and that’s why they fought.
Yeah, NATO letting this linger and dragging their feet for no reason has resulted in so much extra suffering, it’s the classic case of trying to appease people with a one second single issue attention span while dealing with conflicts that span decades and involve thousands of complex elements.
And of course trying to appease people that literally just want to see the world fall into chaos because order and the long path to social progress aren’t as romantic and fun as playing the heroic idealist. So many people suffer because so few are willing to actually engage with reality.