• JubilantJaguar@lemmy.world
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    2 days ago

    Contrarian take: being so ostentatious in the “proper” use of such terms is one reason that Democrats just lost and that the rest of us outside America will now have to suck up yet more of Trump.

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        It is impenetrable jargon. Inadvertently or otherwise, it is being used by the enlightened few as a stick with which to beat the (supposed) ignorant bigoted masses. A lot of people find this deeply annoying and objectionable. Addendum: To be clear, that includes me and I am not “cis het”.

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          It is impenetrable jargon

          Lol, what are you, illiterate?

          Cisgender and heterosexual are really simple to understand, basically every American learns the second term in science class for fucks sake

          And with TRANSgender rights in the media for 10 years now only an idiot wouldn’t be able to at least make a good guess on what CISgender might mean

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            Maybe what they are trying to say is that most everyday folks don’t use those terms in any normal conversation. I’ve never used those terms myself and haven’t heard them in any conversation I can recall outside of the Internet.

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              Maybe what they are trying to say is that most everyday folks don’t use those terms in any normal conversation

              Then say that and not that they’re “impenetrable jargon”, because saying what they said makes you come across as so stupid it’s unbelievable and wraps around to “too obvious”

              I’ve never used those terms myself and haven’t heard them in any conversation I can recall outside of the Internet.

              Yeah, because they’re not actually all that relevant to normal life, but online it’s far easier and simpler to put them out there so people can properly address you in the anonymous internet. Also being put into games and shit for representation, which is likely included in what the person was whinging about

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            If you tell Americans outside cosmopolitan cities they must declare themselves publicly as “cis het” or else they’re a bigot (I caricature but only slightly), then you should expect to lose elections.

            And American elections tend to affect other people in the world. That’s why lots of us wish you would let up a bit on this nonsense.

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              If you tell Americans outside cosmopolitan cities they must declare themselves publicly as “cis het” or else they’re a bigot

              Nothing even close to that is happening and you’d have to be willfully ignorant to pretend otherwise

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                With all due respect, I live in the Midwest and run with some rather blue-collar people in a completely blue, large city.

                Everyone feels as though the Democrats have stopped listening to them and have been yelling at them for the last 10 years.

                And just the mere fact that you are probably going to have the knee jerk reaction and call me an ignorant bigot is part of the problem.

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                  Everyone feels as though the Democrats have stopped listening to them and have been yelling at them for the last 10 years.

                  Feel all they want, its not true not is what was being discussed actually even happening, but go off

                  And just the mere fact that you are probably going to have the knee jerk reaction and call me an ignorant bigot is part of the problem.

                  Pre-defending yourself just shows you know you’re full of it

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                    11 hours ago

                    There you go not listening again, even to the point of saying what people are experiencing isn’t happening.

                    So let’s say it’s not happening. Why do so many people feel that way?

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                  Idiots thinking that because influencers tell them to feel that way =/= it happening, because it’s not

                  People are choosing to use those terms and spots for them are being added to things, this isn’t the same as “use them or you’re a bigot” at all and you know it

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                    IIRC a quarter of the Republican ad spending was on that single ad, “The Democrats are for ‘they/them’, Trump is for YOU”. It was that effective.

                    I don’t care much who is right morally. America’s culture wars are almost an irrelevance to me as a foreigner. I care because it’s skewing American elections. Trump is about to pull out of the climate accord and it will be partly because of this. That is just a crazy situation. You guys need to turn down the temperature. On the Democrat side that means less moralizing and hectoring because it is very visibly driving the other side crazy. It’s not worth it.