• Skua@kbin.social
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    9 months ago

    If America was actively attempting to annex Sonora I’d be happy to make the same arguments defending China if it armed Mexico

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      9 months ago

      It’s not about moral arguments or right or wrong. No matter the reason or circumstance, the US would never allow it. Any president not being aggressive about “Chinese weapons on our doorstep” would be ousted. My point is that a decision was made which was a red line for Russia. But we only ever talk about Russia not the deliberate crossing of the red line.

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        9 months ago

        It’s not about moral arguments or right or wrong.

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        It’s just baffling all the excuses that are made for US aggression vs Russian aggression

        It can’t be both. Which is it? Because the point here is that America giving Ukraine weapons is more justified specifically because of Russia’s aggression.

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          9 months ago

          Neither. Both can be wrong. Russia protested and warned about NATO eastward expansion for decades. So what do you do?

          What pretty clearly happened is that certain elements pushed for NATO inclusion and (mostly exclusive!) EU trade well before 2008. Russia pushed for a more Russia friendly regime. Both sides interfered until the result became a devastating war.

          So every sensible person should protest in favor of peace negotiations. But that doesn’t happen. The western media portrays any peace negotiations as useless or as a ploy. I mean read the article.

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            9 months ago

            Russia protested and warned about NATO eastward expansion for decades.

            As if NATO is an entity that expands by itself huh.

            Countries. Decide. To join NATO. Recent inclusions only prove that Putin’s struggle is not about NATO at all but about Ukraine. Or, more specifically, about repeating a big win in a small war that would get him whatever his ill brain imagined.

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        9 months ago

        it’s 100% about moral arguments of right and wrong. just because the US’s wars are evil 99% of the time isn’t a reason to reject the one good one