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    China doesn’t typically intervene in clearly foreign affairs unless Chinese citizens are harmed. This is as true in Sri Lanka as it will be in Pakistan. Balochistan’s days are numbered.

    Edit: isn’t it just a little odd that Russia, Iran, and Pakistan (but really China) just conveniently got hit by terrorist attacks in the first 3 months of 2024?

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        Okay I never had any respect for ISIS for obvious reasons, but what the actual fuck? Like I thought they were at least trying to do the Caliphate thing, in their woefully misguided understanding of the concept.

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        But the bolded quote part specifically talks about trying to fight Qatar and Saudi support of ISIS. It’s not saying the US supports it.

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          According to Taiwan’s authorities, a Chinese speedboat carrying four people entered Taiwan-controlled waters off Kinmen near Beiding Islet, a military outpost just east of the main island. A Taiwanese Coast Guard Administration (CGA) boat gave chase and initiated a pursuit. As the Chinese boat made to flee, it capsized. All four occupants were rescued from the water and evacuated to Kinmen Hospital, but two did not survive.

          What were they thinking

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        China and Taiwan is a domestic issue stemming from civil war, which you’d know if you ever picked up a history book. There’s a reason Taiwan’s current territorial claims are larger than the entirety of mainland China’s (China signed some treaty with Vietnam, which Taiwan does not recognize).

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        “The Department of State fully recognizes that it may be necessary at some stage for the United States to take military action if [Taiwan] is to be denied to the communists… Such intervention should be publicly based not on obvious American strategic interests but on principles which are likely to have support in the international community, mainly the principle of self-determination of the [Taiwanese] people” — “Memorandum by the Acting Secretary of State to President Truman

        Not only do the majority of Taiwanese people not want independence from China [*], but less than a dozen UN countries even recognize Taiwan as a legitimate separate country from China, and none the legitimate ruler of China (ROC over PRC) as they would like–Taiwan’s airline is China Airlines, Taiwan’s banking is China Trust, Taiwan’s oil is China Petroleum, Taiwan’s communications are China Telecom; Taiwan speaks Chinese and has the same dialect as across the strait, Taiwan’s streets are named after mainland cities (unlike Hong Kong), the “local cuisine” is Chinese cuisine (and Taiwan competes in the Olympics as “Chinese Taipei”).

        In 1971, the United Nations (General Assembly Resolution 2758) revoked recognition of Chiang Kai-shek’s ROC due to the KMT not being in governance (decreeing to “expel forthwith the representatives of Chiang Kai-shek from the place which they unlawfully occupy”) and recognized Taiwan as Chinese (not “two Chinas” or “one China, one Taiwan” to quote the session). The United Nations officially states that they “[consider] ‘Taiwan’ as a province of China with no separate status”, that “authorities in ‘Taipei’ are not considered to… enjoy any form of government status”, and that they “[consider] ‘Taiwan’ for all purposes to be an integral part of the People’s Republic of China.”

        In 1972, the U.S. officially stated, “The United States acknowledges that all Chinese on either side of the Taiwan Strait maintain there is but one China and that Taiwan is a part of China. The United States Government does not challenge that position. It reaffirms its interest in a peaceful settlement of the Taiwan question by the Chinese themselves.” They STILL do not officially recognize Taiwan as separate from China.

        [*] “臺灣民眾統獨立場趨勢分佈”, conducted by Taiwan’s National Chengchi University, an explicitly anti-CPC source, in 2022, showed the following results with regards to the perspective of Taiwanese citizens on independence and reunification: (Status Quo as Autonomous Part of China and Complete Unification Compiled [part of PRC] : 63.4%) (General Support for Independence Including Status Quo Moving Towards Independence [not part of PRC]: 30.3%) (Non-Response: 6.3%)

        Even if you believe that Taiwan is “foreign” to the PRC, it is objectively not “clearly foreign.”

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        Damn bro, good point. You should go tell the ROC marine corps that they have a map of a foreign country on their official emblem. What a wacky oversight nobody has noticed for half a century!

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        Taiwan is a conflict between china and Taiwan, so not clearly a foreign affair in my opinion. But I think also, that Taiwan is it’s own state and China should stop harassing Taiwan.

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          It’s becoming a sort of proxy conflict between China and the US, with the US openly arming Taiwan and posing a national security risk to the mainland.

          One of the biggest mistakes the CPC has made imo is not properly getting rid of the old fascist party, and letting them flee to, and take over, Taiwan, killing its native population and leftists in the White Terror.

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            It wasn’t a mistake though, they did tried. Fleeing ROC remnants were supplied by USA with naval force overwhelmingly stronger than what PLA could muster back then and the attempt to finish the war was thwarted. After that Taiwan became one of the US puppets so the status quo is kept even to this day.

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              Mistake is the wrong word ig. More accurate to say it was one of its most costly failures.

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      I doubt China will intervene militarily in a direct way. Pakistan is a close Chinese ally and it makes more sense to pull on diplomatic and economic levers to get Pakistan to act. Maybe training and joint counter terror ops are on the table, but certainly not a full Iraq scale invasion.

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        The line between joint counterterrorism and an invasion is drawn with chalk in a rainstorm.

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      Don’t those all three have existing issues with terrorism? I know it’s the hot new conspiracy theory in some circles and I don’t want to ruin that but they should make some chart with attacks or something.

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        Funny how ETIM is only a problem when it helps your argument. Otherwise, it’s “I can’t imagine why the Sea Sea Pea would do such a thing to poor innocent Uyghurs.”

        The lack of terrorist attacks and mass shootings in China recently shows that whatever they’re doing, it’s working. China won the War on Terror.