• BringMeTheDiscoKing@lemmy.ca
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    8 months ago

    Guys. Vote in your interests. Sure Biden might be a complicit war criminal but the other guy is a domestic criminal who would be an enthusiastic war criminal given half a chance.

    Secure your country from the Putin’s pet orangutan for another four years, then rake Biden across the coals.

    If we’re lucky, we won’t have to deal with either of them in 2028.

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      8 months ago

      So… When your choices are between two war criminals, your first thought isn’t that the system needs change but that we should vote for the war criminal with a track record of war crimes?

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        8 months ago

        The system needs to change, but with one of those criminals it’s slow progress in the right direction and with the other it’s a sprint towards fascism. Take your pick.

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            8 months ago

            Great contribution to the conversation. Laugh if you want, but voting for Democrats in general elections and voting progressive in primaries is the only way this country will make any progress. Push for ranked choice and other non-FPTP voting systems to get people better representation.

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      8 months ago

      Could Americans, just for once, take responsibility for their own shitty politicians and politics, rather than blaming it on foreigners? This “foreign agent” bullshit is basically the same kind of conspiracy theory scape goating that Republicans do with Qanon, and it’s just as fascist as anything Trump is saying.

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        8 months ago

        Hey yeah, I should stop picking on that Putin guy! 😁

        I said Trump was Putin’s pet. He’s a foreign agent only by happenstance and perhaps through manipulation.

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          8 months ago

          To people who feel deprived of a clear social identity, Ur-Fascism says that their only privilege is the most common one, to be born in the same country. This is the origin of nationalism. Besides, the only ones who can provide an identity to the nation are its enemies. Thus at the root of the Ur-Fascist psychology there is the obsession with a plot, possibly an international one. The followers must feel besieged. The easiest way to solve the plot is the appeal to xenophobia. But the plot must also come from the inside: Jews are usually the best target because they have the advantage of being at the same time inside and outside.

          • Umberto Eco, Ur-Fascism
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        8 months ago

        There are a lot of reasons to be suspicious about trump when it comes to colluding with foreign powers, and there is even some evidence. I agree that people often take it too far, into the conspiracy theory territory. But I don’t think it’s quite comparable with QAnon, either in feasibility, or in scope, or in the problematic effects that it may have.

        Also, the American system is, at best, only semi-democratic. The politicians are the ones who determine who is in power, much more than the people who actually vote. Are the citizens really responsible for what politicians we have? Am I responsible, as a man who votes conscientiously, who has campaigned during important elections, and yet does not have any real influence in who gets elected? Is the average person, who is just barely getting by, really expected to change the system by themselves?

        We need systemic change, but we have no class consciousness, and we are not likely to get there. These facts are manipulated by the people in power.

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        8 months ago

        I don’t know what country you live in but that sure is a lot of words that don’t really mean anything.

        Can you please elaborate on what the “foreign agent bullshit” you’re talking about is?

        And can you please also explain how said bullshit is akin to how republicans are blaming Qanaon? (And also please explain what republicans are “blaming” Qanon for, as it’s my understanding that most republicans are followers of Qanon, not critics.)

        If you are a bot account I am sorry for putting you through the wringer as it’s my first day.

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          8 months ago

          that sure is a lot of words that don’t really mean anything.

          What was the rest of your comment in reference to then?