If you want to hang out or use the restroom at Starbucks, you’re going to have to buy something.
Starbucks on Monday said it was reversing a policy that invited everyone into its stores. A new code of conduct – which will be posted in all company-owned North American stores – also bans discrimination or harassment, consumption of outside alcohol, smoking, vaping, drug use and panhandling.
Starbucks spokesperson Jaci Anderson said the new rules are designed to help prioritize paying customers. Anderson said most other retailers already have similar rules.
I hope they can make their drinks even more expensive.
And so dies another 3rd Space
[flat] No, wait, come back.
Starbucks seems intent on showing itself the door. Hopefully when they’re done, better, smaller coffee shops with no shareholder obligations will take their place
The Starbucks 3rd space idea has been dead since 2015-2018. It was a conscious choice.
meh, this one can die.
Good luck enforcing the “can’t use the bathroom without purchase” policy in California.
Past: Person goes to Starbucks to hang out, ends up ordering coffee.
Present: Person isn’t allowed to hang out in Starbucks, goes somewhere else.
Future: Starbucks backpedals in desperate attempt to win back customers.
Starbucks reverses its open-door policy, requiring people to make a purchase if they want to stay
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/starbucks-open-door-policy-reversal-purchase-now-required/
Support Local Coffee Shopsthanks.
The local shops all close early. I don’t even drink coffee. I just want a place to work with WiFi. I usually buy a snack and drink.
I did a support call for a local coffee shop about a decade ago.
They had a separate WiFi router for guests. When they got a squatter they unplugged the guest WiFi if when they wanted him out.
They were in a very high traffic area and had minimal seating.
LOL
Ten years ago I would have just blocked the MAC address.
That requires you to be able to log into the router first. Most of the people working there don’t even know how to do that. (Even if it’s printed on the bottom)
SLCS?
This, also BDS.
The best thing I’ve seen in a coffee shop was a “Please no laptops” sign.
Its ridiculous how everyone just goes and works in coffee shops all day.
I understand buying a coffee, and working while you enjoy it. But once you’re done, and your work is saved gtfo.
We need more third spaces.
People are also desperately lonely and isolated. They hang out in coffee shops just to have other living humans around them- even if they’re not actively interacting.
We are all alone, together.
Nothing will meaningfully improve until the rich fear for their lives
Grind the rich into coffee?
I troubleshoot a VPN connection for a man who does his work from a Dunkin at least once a week. He doesn’t even drink coffee or eat donuts. He just hangs out there and works until his VPN breaks.
Starbucks coffee isn’t even good anyway. But without more coworking spaces or some other alternative people like me will occasionally be forced to work from one for one reason or another. In the towns around military bases especially you frequently see spouses of those who work on base in Starbucks doing their remote work since it’s the only possible place they can work from if they were staying in a hotel the night before.
Quick reminder that your local library probably does not follow those rules. Go hang out at your local library instead! Depending on location/country they might have a café too.
Also community college libraries. Theyre usually open where you can kinda just show up
And libraries are not just about books. This is a thread I made about the new library branch my wife oversaw the design of opening:
https://lemmy.world/post/21386043
The reason conservatives hate libraries is because everything in them is free. Many (like my wife’s library system) do not even charge late fees anymore.
Many modern libraries also offer a ton of digital lending including ebooks, audiobooks and even streaming movies and TV.
My local library also offers a thermal camera rental! I’ve borrowed one several times, it’s very useful!
Nice! Having the free 3D printer access has been really useful for us on more than one occasion. We have no need to purchase one, but maybe once every six months, we might need to replace a part to something we can just 3D print and it’s been great.
You just have to slowly start printing all the pieces for your own
Von Neumann probeprinterA 3D-printed Analytical Engine! That’s much cooler than a teapot or a tugboat.
There are several designs for (partially) 3d printed printers.
The original RepRap was one, and Prusa printers have quite a few 3d printed components. Aside from the electronics, hot end, motors, screws, and aluminum frame, that’s entirely possible.
Obviously that’s still a lot you need to buy, but probably over half the actual parts are printable.
Did you forget about the pinnacle of printable DIY printers, the Voron 2.4 (and it’s siblings)?
As someone with only a casual interest in 3d printing, are the open source 3d printers worth the effort it takes to make them vs buying one?
No.
You can get a factory new A1 Mini for $199. Nothing you can DIY for that price will ever come even close to beating it, and that doesn’t even take into account the amount of time spent building it.
It used to be worth it when cheap and good consumer printers didn’t exist, but nowadays building a DIY printer is not something you do for cost savings, you do it because you enjoy building it
It’s like anything else. There are super high quality mass produced printers for like $200, so if you want to make some prints for the lowest cost possible, that’s the way to go.
If you want a hobby about learning and tweaking the printer itself, then yup, the open source printers are really good and fun to work with.
If you want to make super strong, high quality prints for prototyping, or industrial applications, then you’re probably going to need to get a serious, real manufactured printer.
The nice thing about 3d printing, is that there’s options for anyone’s interest level.
I think they get annoyed when certain libraries get political and have displays featuring gender identity crises related books. I’ve seen it at my local library, and it’s a bit much when I’m in there with my little 1st grader.
Bro, the books aren’t going to reach out and grab your kid. Your kids are probably not interested in it anyway. I’m more honestly worried that my kids are going to wander into the cringe fox news host books section, because the school has started programming their little brains about patriotism and such.
Better that they know about it at 6 than grow up feeling like they’re broken inside and end up taking their own life at 16.
Hopefully they have better parents that actually parent. If you ever get a chance to parent, then do you.
How does it harm your child in any way to see book covers about gender topics?
Also, never, ever take them into a bookstore if that sort of thing is too damaging for them. They might see something like this and be immediately corrupted! They put them right there out in the open on display!
Hey, male-shirtless cis-het sexuality is a valid lifestyle choice too.
The ones I’ve seen are designed like kids cereal boxes. This topic is so vogue and I’m not saying ban them. Just not have them displayed as a hot item. Mental illness affects more people than anything, I never see those books promoted as a hot item.
Romance love novels are hilarious, I’m sorry they affend you. I think they are kinda ridiculous. I never see those displayed as the hot item.
My wife and I are very affectionate and hold each other similar to this, so my kids see what love looks like.
Sorry, are you saying transgender people are all mentally ill?
I’m saying there are more people with mental health issues than there are people having gender identity crises.
Okay? I’m not sure how that’s even relevant to how book covers about gender identity harm your child but overtly sexual book covers do not.
Just curious, but do they still have due dates if not late fees?
They do. But basically it triggers a series of nagging emails which eventually result in a final one saying that you either return the book or pay for the book if you wish to continue using library services. If I remember correctly, that takes about nine months. And they don’t charge some outrageous price for the book either, they just charge what it would cost to replace it. They might not even do that because they might not actually want to replace it, but my wife has never actually told me that. I imagine that’s the case though because they’re constantly weeding out books that no one has taken a look at in 20 years in order to make room for new books.
Seems like a cool system but if your waiting for a copy of a new release they only have w5 copies of I can see not getting to read it for a very long time.
Most people are honest people. Especially people who use libraries. It’s just not a big problem as far as I know.
Also, if you’re going to a library to get a book, you probably don’t want to keep the book.
Makes sense. I guess I’m one of the few who can never finish a book by the due date so I end up buying instead. Maybe I should just start returning those to the library cause I never read em again.
Edit: huh. My library got rid of fees a few years ago. TIL.
If I recall correctly (i.e., I’m talking out my ass), when people have late fees that continue to stack up, some percentage of people will decide to just stop using the library. This results in them keeping the books, and also removes them as customers. This ultimately costs the library more than they gain by having fees.
Also, there’s the saying “a fine is a price”. The idea is that by having a late fee, people are okay paying the late fee. Shame is often stronger than modest fees.
We use the library a lot and honestly it’s just not an issue. People respect libraries and generally return books by the due date.
I love going to the library to panhandle and smoke. Librarians don’t mind, I always leave them a good tip.
That’s a great idea!
But I can’t talk about how cool my macbook is and the bootstrap code I just copy and pasted
You still can but the librarian might shush you.
💯! This will also improve society as a whole if people went to library more than coffee shops. We take are kids all the time, and they love books and excel in school.
It’s a café though… Isn’t this normal for a café?
Yeah. But now they don’t have any advantages over other cafés. Except the fact that their coffees basically double as a rich snack I guess.
A lot of places don’t just have cafés. Starbucks is about the only place in town with WiFi and a place to hang out
Sure, if you like burned coffee.
Just put ten parts milk in there with some sugar and you’ll never know.
It’s the consumption of an idea. There’s very little in the way of substance at Starbucks. I achieved more than any Starbucks order by grinding my folgers classic roast just now while using an unbleached compostable coffee filter and having cleaned the coffee maker with all natural biodegradeable dish soap. Can’t afford good coffee grounds right now, but recently I had ‘Punk Goes The Bunny’, Billie Joe Armstrong’s (from Green Day) coffee brand.
But here I am wondering if I’m just consuming a bunch of ideas myself. Consuming the idea of Punk Rock for instance, or eco-friendliness, or health. But then I catch myself and say “Those are tangible benefits.” Anything more likely to make me listen to The Clash is a positive, anything that’s not gonna put bleach in my body, anything that’s gonna be clean for making coffee but without such a residue of dangerous chemicals as is typical with cleaners, and anything to add to my compost.
I didn’t follow all that, but the Clash is the only band that matters.
Hanging out in Libraries is free! I’ve gone in just for the AC.
Or to pick up LILFs!
AC, read something, have a nice seat for a while.
Targeting the growing homeless population. Don’t let it confuse you for anything else.
Why would it possibly be on Starbucks to provide places for homeless people to hang out for hours. This should be a public function.
Yeah! Why should a business within a community do things that help support that community!
I know you’re just circlejerking here so discussion is probably pointless, but there are many ways to serve the community and providing a quiet, nicely ambient place (aspirational goals, only met sometimes in reality) to sit or work for a few hours, for the price of a $3 coffee is one. I live in New York and for just over the price of a subway ride I can get wifi, a desk to work, outlets and a decently comfortable chair, and a restroom, and I can hang out there a while.
Serving the homeless in public places is notoriously difficult to get right, as most state and local governments experience demonstrates. Why we’d expect a cafe company to do a good job as well as meet its other goals is confusing.
If seating isn’t at capacity, it doesn’t cost them anything additional to let someone sit down a bit to warm up.
That’s true only if homeless people make zero noise, do not act or behave eccentrically, do not bother other customers, do not have offensive odors, immediately cede their seat to a customer who arrives, somehow don’t make through their presence prospective customers believe the shop is too crowded, etc. Do you think even actual customers who are not mentally disturbed or addicted can fulfill this bar you’ve set by saying “costs nothing”?
Warming is a canard, every street homeless person can get warm at a church or shelter. In NYC you can 311 a city department and they’ll go offer the person a ride to a shelter anywhere in the city in a van. Their average time is <1 hour. They can walk into any library in the city.
I encounter homeless every day and resent dumb online joke, these are individuals who have serious problems and, as stated, there is a reason even public services find it hard to serve these populations.
There’s also a reason neither you nor I regularly invite street homeless into our homes.
If you don’t like megacorp there are 1000 better ways you can argue it than saying “they should let homeless in to hang out”. Choosing the argument that you have chosen, just sounds ridiculous.
I agree with you about the first part but not the second. Not everyone lives in a large city that has warming stations. In my town the few are run by churches you have to participate in to stay and they’re so spread out across the city there’s no way to get to them. Starbucks is right downtown
Exactly. Fascism was here but all the billionaires are putting out their flags now.
So before this rule homeless people in the US could sit in a starbucks all day everyday without ordering anything?
“Hey, look at us–we’re the new public hangout, everyone’s invited”
Expands into an empire dotting the entire country
“Sorry poors–paying customers only, please.”
Embrace, extend, extinguish all over again 🎉
If I remember correctly, this policy was introduced after they got flack because some employee called the cops on a black person who was just hanging out inside the store.
Turns out money is more important to them than the appearance of inclusion surprised pikachu face
Embrace, extend, extinguish all over again
I do not think that means what you think it means.
Just put a CC reader on the bathroom door.
Then put a Starbucks in the restroom.
No difference in taste.
Like russian nesting dolls. Just starbucks all the way down.
pushing my peepee into the miniature starbucks and peeing on the doll baristas 🤤🤤
u nasteh
Well this gives me a good excuse to never go to Starbucks ever again (even though people shouldn’t be going to Starbucks anyway)
Most people near a Starbucks are near a better coffee shop or cafe that’s independently owned.
So what I’m hearing is people need to start pissing and shitting on the building itself.
I can piss and shit on Starbucks management by not going there - all doing it for real does is force some underpaid barista to have to go clean shit up, and management learns nothing.
You can do both. I never go to Starbucks but will gladly make a detour just to piss on the flowerbeds.
the employee having to clean up after you is most likely just trying to unionize and provide for their family.
No don’t, that’s not good for the flowers!
Meh, the last time I’ve been in one was 2011. Too expensive for what it is, and plenty of other options in my city.
Yeah starbucks is a coffee shop for soccer moms and affluent suburbanites. There are a dozen better coffee shops that serve actual coffee for less AND you don’t have to deal with Starbucks entitled customer base.
